More ideas? This thread continues from here.
MAV: No problem. I’ve been an ER nurse since 1977, was blessed to win a State Emergency Nurse of the Year Award and haven’t been sued, yet, so I’m okay with what I do. My kid has preps, Tamiflu and will travel when TSHTF and I will be at work trying to figure out what swamp medicine and newspaper we can use to do what with when we run out of sterile gauze in the backwoods. LOL My feelings will be okay. :>) But did I mention the dog isn’t supposed to pee on the newspaper BEFORE you use it to hold pressure on a wound out in a field somewhere to stop bleeding if you have no gauze? LOL
Cherokee Rose and Many Cats: Thanks. Some of that witchcraft really works! :>)
One serious thing I would like to note is that on some thread, maybe not even this one, I did see a post about burns and placing area in ice water or applying ice. Folks think that ice/iced water will stop the pain but it actually causes the blood vessels to constict and decreases blood flow to the area, causing more tissue damage. Instead, place the burned area into room temperature water or apply room temperture wet cloths to the area (yes, preferably sterile if possible.
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Hi everyone; Today the Nationsl Institute of Medicine in Wash DC came out and gave test results about masks: These were the questions thye were acked to look in to:
“If it does (BF) strick, millions undoubtedly will turn to masks, raising a dilemma for the prestigious scientific organization: There’s little evidence about whether masks truly block the influenza virus — and if they can, just how much protection they offer….The masks are supposed to be used once and discarded. Anticipating a staggering demand if the bird flu or some other super-strain of influenza sparks a pandemic, the Department of Health and Human Services asked if such masks could be reused, to conserve supplies…. The bigger question is one the government didn’t ask: If different masks really block influenza, the IOM panel noted, calling for urgent study of that issue.
Ok so what does it mean to us the public
a> Flu can spread three ways:
1) By hand. Someone sneezes into his hand and then grabs a doorknob that you touch, or shakes your hand.
2) By large droplets of virus, if someone is in the direct path of a sneeze or cough. Those heavy droplets fall quickly to the ground.
3) By tiny particles, which can stay suspended in the air for far longer periods. No one knows which of those methods is most important.
Now for the punch line::
“But, the IOM said, “surgical masks aren’t designed to block tiny airborne particles, just larger ones. Thus, they probably would be of most use when worn by infected patients, to help cover coughs and sneezes.”
So the masks including N95/100 can be used and may stop large drops but can only be used ONCE! It will NOT STOP small particles at all so beware!!! and may not stop BF at all!!
Now is the time for someone to come up with a BF protection that is very cheap, reusable, and will fit anyone from a baby to all adults.
Kirby – at 17:35
Cold water or a first-aid cooling spray should be used quickly to initially cool the burn but then the directions you supplied should be followed. Ice should never be used even when initially cooling.
Richard, Please provide the link. That looks like a report that they came out with over a month ago. It really didn’t say much of anything new.
Following that report issuance, they were posed more specific questions to address issues such as: WHICH masks offer the best defense against the virus? What is the protection rate (%) of H5N1 virus that the different types of masks keep out? What would be the protection % of “washed” or reused masks? What, if anything, could a consumer do to be able to reuse masks?
Because the virus is so small in airborne form, there was doubt over the efficacy of the N95 masks, the ones most touted thus far for use if TSHTF. Everyone hoped that the report would issue further guidance, but it really didn’t. So, they were supposed to go “back to the drawing board” to determine those key questions.
Your post doesn’t look like an issuance that answered those questions. It does however look like the information that was originally published.
I look forward to the update when they actually finish testing with the virus itself to see what works and what doesn’t. (How they do this testing is beyond me though!)
My information came from a CDC update 20 June 2006 given to AP.
It may be the final report since they have no idea as to what H5N1 will look like in size, how it’s spread etc. I believe they just wanted to remind people not to put much faith in the N95 mask and to remember that they are one time use only.
I was in Flordia Law enforcement for 10 years and we always had mask for handling people with TB, HIV, etc. The medical people always stated that these mask were one time use and still could not guarrentee that they work 100 % of the time.
R Fl: a link please….
one idea that is in my bag, and will be kept everywhere else incuding my pockets are realy small pumpspray bottels with isopropanol or ethanol, for skin added glyserol. Nice to desinfect anything, like hands, scissors etc. veeery usefull.. also for other uses like water on hot days, hom made remedies etc.
http://www.mujionline.co.uk/online/online.asp?V=1&Sec=5&Sub=27&PID=294
Sorry it didn’t go thru… I bought a product called Culturelle which is a pill you take once a day when you are taking antibiotics. It prevents the stomach upset which can occur due to killing the good bacteria along with the bad. It works as well as yogurt, and can be more convenient. Costs about 20$ at Walgreens. Would be a good addition to a med bag.
Richard in FL,
“3) By tiny particles, which can stay suspended in the air for far longer periods.”
Any idea how far those tiny particles can travel? 100 feet? 100 yards? 1 mile?
Nearest neighbor is 300 feet away. I’ve been wondering how safe it will be to go out in the yard with no mask
Thoughts, anyone?
Richard in FL
“If it does (BF) strick, millions undoubtedly will turn to masks, “
Any care to venture a guess as to what N95 pasks will be going for on ebay (before ebay and the rest of the infrastructure unravels)?
I’ll say $100 a piece.
Jumping Jack Flash – at 01:05 The CDC is stating that sneezes and coughing will spread about 3 feet.
As for your bet how are you going to get the mail to deliver that package? Only if you pick up locally. And I’ll still charge you 410.00 for handling :)
urdar-Norge – at 20:31 Sorry; I went back today (24 hours) to try and find it and it’s not there. DA__ it. The news changes so fast unless you copy as you read; its gone when you turn your head back to see it again!
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