New thread. Old thread here.
crfullmoon, thank you! Also, does anyone have a link to where to buy iv’s and iv fluids?
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This is a real newbie question, but the link to Oral Rehydration Formulas:
http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Forum.OralRehydrationSolutionFormulas
seems to be password protected. How does one get to the info?
Thanks,
Red
Go to main page. To site map… to pandemic preparedness→ to personal and family prep, look at these:
1. Dr. Grattan Woodson… html version, scroll down to ORS formula
2. Red Cross Home Treatment Flyer
3. Healthcare when a doctor is ont available→ go to: Where There is No Doctor
Thanks, EA.
From Medical News Today, 22 July 2006: “Oral Rehydration Works As Well As Introvenous Rehydration for Diarrhoea”
Swann - great news! Thank you.
oops…Intravenous
OK, I don’t to start a political argument, but can ANYONE tell me WHY the FDA might be days away from making the morning after abortion pill OVER THE COUNTER while a person needs to grovel and beg to get a Tamiflu or antibiotic prescription? There must be something I am missing. Surely wise people on here can enlighten me.
Misuse of the morning after pill is only going to affect that one person. Misuse of antibiotics and antivirals has the great potential to create bacterial and viral resistence which affects whole communities/the whole planet.
Plan B is also packaged so that it is nearly impossible to use incorrectly.
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‘’Melanie – at 19:35
Plan B is also packaged so that it is nearly impossible to use incorrectly.’‘
I don’t really understand this. If it is sold OTC then theoretically I would be able to take it ANY KIND of way I wanted to, right? I could decide to decide to buy and take 3 doses because it’s not the “morning after” —it’s been 3 or 4 days— and I just want to make sure. Or I might be 2 months pregnant and just broke up with my boyfriend so I decide to see if it will work at that point, too, because maybe the brain or the heart is being formed now and if I can mess that up I’m home free right? Or I am a smoker over 35 with a family history of heart problems so my doctor doesn’t recommend taking the pill, but anyway I decide using this pill once or twice a month as a preventative is much less of a hassle. Especially when there might not be any realistic way to control the age of the person buying this thing, I can see the potential for all kinds of ill-advised use of it. I mean the people inclined to use this are probably not rocket scientists and are not big on reading instructions anyway or they would have been able to figure out how to properly use some alternative method of birth control.
Anyway it seems weird to me that while the healthcare community simply refuses to believe that regular people could take an anti-viral correctly in the face of a pandemic, they think that this other medication that just about ALWAYS ends a life (when taken as directed) is fine without a prescription.
Handle— I think that if an antiviral such as Tamiflu is taken incorrectly, it could potentially harm a lot of people — like if it turned the person into an asymptomatic carrier of the flu — of any flu. That would harm a lot of people — a public health issue.
Taking this other drug incorrectly would be of issue only to the person who is using the drug. No public health issue. (Worst thing that could happen is, they take it wrong and it doesn’t work — sounds like you wouldn’t be upset with this happening, anyhow.)
Plan B sounds a lot safer to me than, say, Tylenol. If you misuse Tylenol and take too much it can be very toxic, not just to the person taking the drug but also to any embryo they may be carrying. Yet Tylenol is over the counter. You can kill yourself with Tylenol. I don’t think you can kill yourself with birth control pills. Certainly not with Plan B.
It is entirely possible that people might actually be able to use an antiviral such as Tamiflu appropriately. TPTB would have no reason to think that an average person wanting to be proactive and prepare for a pandemic can’t follow directions correctly, while they WOULD have reason to think that a person who can’t figure out how to use a condom (or something else) correctly would be unable or unwilling to use the abortion pill correctly. I suppose the worst thing that could happen would be for someone one who is 2 months pregnant to take several megadoses of the abortion pill in hopes that it will cause an abortion and it did not cause the abortion but instead the baby survived with severe birth defects. Better for society to have some of those babies I guess, than to inconvenience someone to see a doctor.
Doesn’t matter what is in a person’s mind or what their intellect is. Misuse of one product can harm others. Thus more regulation. Misuse of another product only harms the person who is using it. Thus, less regulation.
BYW I don’t think misuse of birth control pills in the 2nd month of pregnancy causes birth defects.
Even if it did, wouldn’t that be an argument to only prescribe and dispense birth control pills every three days? Because some person could, feeling desperate, just take all of them at once in the 2nd month, hoping to end a pregnancy, only to end up with a baby with birth defects? (I don’t think that would happen, but if you are, do you wish to outlaw access to more than 3 or 4 birth control pills at one time?)
This “abortion pill” as you call it is just some extra-strength birth control pills after all.
Handle, I’m sure that once the mods get a hint of where this discussion has taken us (away from flu related topics andinto abortion) we will be shut down and probably rightly so. It is quite a hot topic, so I will sign off now. I will read your answer though, and so let you have the last word if you wish. (-:
Actually you can find authoritative statements on both sides of the issue about whether birth control pills during pregnancy can cause birth defects. I’m not sure that there have been studies yet about whether the extra-strength abortion pills cause defects. I guess if it becomes OTC, unfortunately there should be lots of opportunities to discover whether it is harmful or not. So I disagree with the statement that the “other product” only harms the person who is using it. In fact it might not even harm the person who takes it, but might very well harm someone else (a baby).
I guess the moral of the story is that those of us who want to stockpile some medicine for a pandemic, need to have some more effective lobbyists in DC.
I am happy that Tamiflu is not OTC. I do not agree with OTC morning after pill either, for completely different reasons.
It is easy even though many of you do not like it: - Tamiflu/Relenza are not available in abundance so have to be used and distributed wisely - With the risk of resistance developing from misuse/overuse you risk the life of millions++++ of people. Not comparable to the risk of one baby (which can be harmed by many a drug or substance, it is simply impossible to completely prevent this kind of misuse/accidental harm). - with millions of doses hidden in some private or public or companies own cabinet, when a pandemic brakes loose, there is less left for sensible distribution that could (remote hope) still be stopped in the beginning - and: although laymen love to think of them as just as knowledgable, they are not. Reading in the different flu discussion groups shows one thing: not even those that do educate themselves about the issue, seem to be properly informed about how to diagnose flu as opposed to some flu like illness, common cold and many more.
So from a public health perspective - OTC antivirals and antibiotics would be detrimental to us all.
- recent FDA
Uhm…okay. And you are…whom?
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