I’m planning on going out and stocking up on over the counter meds that I will need during a pandemic. So far I’ve got infant Tylenol and Motrin, and tylenol and pepto bismol for us. What other drugs should I pick up at the store? Thank yahs :)
Mommy2Mya- One thing that is on the shelves which you might find useful is Tylenol suppositories. This allows you to administer a dose even if the child is unable or unwilling to swallow any meds. They’re out under various names, just ask the pharmacist. They come in several strengths and several brands. In my local pharmacy they are OTC and easy to get.
Everyone will point you to the Pandemic Preparedness section of the main fluwiki (see the topics in the mustard colored area to your left). They will point you to Dr. Wooodson’s pandemic preparedness guide which has over the counter medicines and rehydration solutions listed, etc. I hope the link to it below will not cause sidescroll…
http://www.fluwikie.com/uploads/Consequences/NewGuideOct7b.pdf
Check out the rest of the main wiki for information you may need on just about anything.
Sorry, one too many O’s in Woodson (it’s just that his guide is soooooooo good) :)
Over in the other thread I suggested Pedialyte for Mya; likewise Gatorade is good for adults.
Other good items for adults include Rolaids, Ibuprofen (so you can alternate with the tylenol for nasty fevers), Benadryl, Imodium, and Neosporin.
Essential Essential Oils-
I’ve stocked several varieties of pain relief (after reading Barry’s book). Acetiminophen, ibuprofen, and the Aleve type also, just in case one doesn’t work so well on pain. (I’m planning to SIP, but you never know!)
Also other meds/stuff you might need anyway, at a time no medical care is available (things for yeast infections? insect stings or poison ivy? contraception? temporary repair kit if a filling falls out)- look for the first aid kit suggestions, too.
Here’s what’s in my home pharmacy!
Bottles of Pedialyte Anti-Diarheal (immodium) Pepto Bismal (or generic equivalent) Antacids Ibuprofen Tylenol Aspirin Antihistimines (benadryl, etc) Decongestants (sudafed etc) Cough expectorant and suppressant Cough drops Anbesol (tooth pain relief) Antiseptic spray (bactine) Iodine tincture syrup of ipecac Teatree oil Antifungal ointments Antibiotic topical creams Antihistimine cream (benedryl cream) Bottle of Betadine Rubbing alcohol Hydrogen Peroxide Vaseline Vapor Rub Instant hot packs Instant cold packs Variety of regular bandaid style bandages Butterfly bandage gauze bandages first aid tape Variety of first aid style bandages (squares) ace bandages disinfecting wipes scissors Needles & nylon thread Syringes for irrigating wounds thermometer (digital and backup old fashioned style) Blood pressure cuff and stethescope Aloe Vera gel (sunburn and burns) Bug spray & afterbite stick
Sorry for the horrible formatting on my post… I put it as a list and it just ran it all together. Yuck.
Good list DoubleD!
Here’s a tip for anyone interested. While suffering through a cold a few weeks back, I developed a heavy cough. Went to the store intending to buy something that’s strictly a cough suppresant with no added active ingredients. There were two different products on the shelves containing dextromethorphan, one a generic syrup and the other Triaminic Thin Strips. I went with the Thin Strips, as I figured they were something I could also easily throw in the first aid kit in my pack. BAD mistake! While these strips dissolve almost immediately in your mouth, they leave a horrible, wretched aftertaste for nearly two hours. Oh, and I didn’t look closely enough at the package, they’re meant for kids, so you’ve gotta take 3 or 4 of the things to equal an adult dose. They are NASTY. So if dextromethorphan is something you want to add to your preps stay away from the Thin Strips and spend a little extra on the syrup.
You might want to stock some antibiotics also.
Better than Pedialyte is Gerbers - Pedialyte tastes pretty awful. Gerbers and WAllyworld’s versions also have a non-flavored offering.
Tylenol has kids’ chewables and meltaways which also might be easier to administer to sick kids. Makes sure you have plenty of medicine droppers for liquid meds. Don’t use teaspoons you eat with for medical teaspoons - use droppers or the little cups easily found in drugstores.
Also, you may want Imodium in addition to Pepto - it really helps with bad diareah and is safe to take if pregnant.
For the adults, gatorade comes in powdered form, which has about an 18 month shelf-life. Easier to store and useful if you anticipate having water to mix it. Galt
Lavender essential oil is (rumored?) to be protective against flu. The perfume workers in France during the plague didn’t get it, someone wrote. I’ve planted several lavender plants around my yard and have some oil for inhalers or sprays. (Haven’t found any empty inhalers though.)
I bought some books, Where There Is No Doctor, Where Women Have No Doctor, Where There Is No Dentist. (But sometimes it recommends a clinic, anyway…)
Glycerin for skin softening, honey for burns to draw water out, potato starch for making blood clot, cayenne powder in case of heart attack.
Ed at 9.26: Do you need a prescription for antibiotics?
I have always used hydrocortisone cream for burns with excellent results. First, if I have a burn, I ice it until it stops hurting. Then I apply hydrocortisone cream frequently. It is really miraculous how it works. Very few people seem to know about this treatment.
I have used it also for sunburns. As soon as I think I may have a sunburn, I apply hydrocortisone cream. Then I apply frequently. If you want to cover an area like your back, and then lay down, just place Saran wrap on your back after you apply the hydrocortisone cream. It has always done a great job for me with sunburns. You might need many tubes of hydrocortisone cream, but it is worth it.
It is too bad the general public does not know about his useage of hydrcotisone cream. It works better than any medicine I know for burns.
Hydrocortisone is indeed a “miracle” ingredient. It can however be dangerous because it stops the immune reaction and could cause viruses and bacteria to grow unhindered. My skin specialist berated me strongly for using it on my face to remove red rashes. He told me it could lead to blindness. But then again, we were told other things could lead to blindness also and those turned out to be BS :)
Other things to ad: Amoxicillin (or your preferred antibiotic)- for earaches, sinus infections -if you know it works for you frequent sufferers. My partner gets frequent sinus infections. i often get earaches. Luckily, we have both found that 99.9% of the time, amox takes care of the problem. I know I wouldn’t want to have to visit a clinic or hospital during a SIP time because of an earache… but lord knows I would go insane if I had to suffer through one!
My “panic” thought is what if you get a tooth ache??!!
I also added an advance supply of meds I already take.
Another thing, and this may sound funny, is I also stocked up on “Gas-X”. Think about it, if we SIP a long time, many of us will be changing our diets to include lots of beans and foods we aren’t used to. Focusing on possible gassy cramps (vs. the aromatic aftermath!) I thought these would help too.
Ambesol, Solacaine spray, good tweezers, magnifying glass (good for fire-starting too)
And girls, don’t forget extra feminine supplies… or if you can, get the prescription for the pill that allows you to only have a period like once or twice a year.
Boonct,
Yes, you need a prescription for antibiotics, but you can get some without a prescription from veterinary supply stores or feed stores or there are some online sites. There are threads (maybe archived?) on antibiotics and dosages.
Epsom Salts - used as a soak, it is great for cuts, especially when they start to look a little red and puffy. My grandmother, born in the late 1800′s, swore by Epsom Salts and so do I - my daughter had a cut on her foot that had red streaks leading from it - we were out of town and it was on a weekend, so I ran to the drugstore and bought Epsom Salts and after 2 or 3 soaking (get the water as hot as you can stand it) the red streaks were gone. And, weirdly enough, you can also use it as a laxative or a plant fertilizer! Also, Dramamine is good for nausea.
Albert at 11:35 - LOL!!!!
Albert -
What I am suggesting is to use it for a short period of time for a burn. I have NEVER had a problem using it as I suggested. If there is ever a cut (or skin break) in the area where the hydrocortisone cream is applied, you would also need to add Neosporin to prevent bacterial overgrowth.
Using hydrocortisone cream for a long period of time on skin areas presents other problems.
In my earlier post, I should have elaborated on the honey. It’s used after a cold-water dunking to cool the burn, and after you see if it’s weeping (second-degree burn?) A honey coating is supposed to keep it from getting infected. I haven’t needed to try this myself.
Dermoplast spray is an aerosol anesthetic, which is good because you don’t have to touch the painful area. There’s something called Nu-skin which seals a cut or burn. Also super-glue might be good for a bad cut (after a thorough cleaning), although a medical person said butterfly closures are better because they allow a wound to drain.
I guess we all have to use our unfamiliar cooking and lighting equipment very carefully to avoid injuries.
BEWARE using epsom salt as a laxative. That is the equivalent of drinking sea water. It can SERIOUSLY dehydrate you and cause uncontrollable diahrrea. Definately do not try to give to a child unless you are giving a very tested, tried and true dosage that your doctor believes is OK to administer.
Fiber is a safer/better laxative than salt water.
p.s. Do not use that Citrate of Magnesia either that comes in a green bottle… same effect!!
Went to the pet store and saw antibiotics (I think) that are good for fish slime etc. Is this what people are talking about as a substitute antibiotic if we can not get any ahead of time. Clealy states not for human comsumption. Just want to get the right thing, then not sure I would use it. How would you use it. Is there a link specifically for fish antibiotics? Not sure about this?
In case of diarrhoea without fever or blood in the stool I would recommend waiting whilst making sure enough fluids are taken, and if it does not stop in a week, try Flagyl (metronidazole), available in syrup form for children and tablets for adults. Contra-indicated during pregnancy and patient should not consume any alcohol during treatment. It very often works very effectively, I have used it often myself and for my kids here in Bangladesh. Immodium is not a solution to treat the causes of diarrhoea.
TreasureIslandGal - I have not tried Epsom Salts as a laxative, nor as a fertilizer for that matter - drinking something that could also be used on your lawn seemed, well, wrong….I really meant it more tongue-in-cheek, but I should have been more clear, so thanks for the alert. Having it on hand for soaking injured body parts though, is great. I highly recommend having it as a first aid supply, and not as a laxative.
Oceanside, CA
We recommend that client agencies add following items to their personnel’s kit:
Broad spectrum antibiotic ( Cipro - Ceflex - Levaquin ) Antiviral ( Tamiflu - Relenza ) Analgesia ( Codeine # 3 -r- Vicodin 10/650 ) Potassium Iodide ( Anti Radiation Tablets )
Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. Best to all Yoda
Yes this if great if you have a Dr. who is willing to co-operate. You can get the potassium iodide tablets w/o rx from the various survival / preparedness sites.
I would not take fish antibiotics personally. Sounds fishy to me ;). Look online for a 250 ml(pint?) bottle of penicillan. You will need some sterile syringes. I buy it at the local feed store for my farm animals. My milk cow get’s mastitis from time to time. Once when very sick and uninsured, I gave myself a shot in the leg. Made a horrible bruise but I was well within a couple days. Hubby about shot me when he found what I did, but I got well. I would NOT give anyone a shot unless I was sure they had the secondary illness like pnuemonia or a severe infection from a wound or something. I also have a nebulizer and supplies/meds for it. Hope it will help to open the airways some if needed. All I have for pain meds is a fifth of vodka. I might mix with honey for a ‘hot toddy’ flem treatment. I might need a shot for anxiety attacks.
I hardly dare to ask because I still did not figure out what SIP stands for (Stare in Pot, Sit in Peace, Stunned indeed Pal, Soak in Pothole??)
Betadine solution (not the “scrub”) is the one item I would not want to be with out. Antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral. I use it in open wounds (diluted with saline), as a wound dressing. Works well on ringworm, athletes foot, jock itch. Dries up cold sores etc….Actually, since it is 1%iodine, it can be used to purify water.
JV – at 11:24 I also have to discourage the use of cortisone for anything other than a small very superficial burn. Any burn that blisters (or worse) is an open wound and creates a large surface area for bacteria to set up infection. Rinse with cool clean water, apply antibiotic ointment and a sterile (cleaner the better) bandage. In deeper 2nd degree wounds or worse, wet saline dressings are preferred. Ointments and first aid kit type “burn creams” get nasty and tend to act as debris in deeper wounds.
Not sure why KI is touted as a treatment for radiation exposure the way it is though. It is actually a low priority treatment depending on the exposure dose. MUCH more important to shelter appropriately and self decontaminate immediately. (Another, misleading scam to sell product, that could create a false sense of security and/or delay treatment for the unknowing )
Metronidazole (Flagyl) for GI infections that may be water related as Albert – at 12:17 described.
MAV-
The so-called anti-radiation, Potassium Iodide pills are somewhat useful in protecting the glands if used immediately and in the correct dosage under very low, level exposure. The pills are not truly anti-radiation; they only assist the body in slightly slowing and reducing a portion of the effects.
As you’ve mentioned, proper NBC procedure involves many steps prior to and in addition to any usage of KI.
Don’t take the KI and then visit your local reactor core.
Potassium iodate or iodide pills have one use and one use only, to prevent the thyroid gland from absorbing radioactive iodine in the case of a nuclear accident. The thyroid gland is like a magnet for iodine, and so it does this by flooding the thyroid with iodine BEFORE the thyroid can take up any radioactive iodine, so it must be taken either just before or very soon after exposure (within 12 hours). Radioactive iodine is very harmful to children especially, so it is most important to give to children first. Radioactive iodine is but one component of a nuclear event, there are other radioactive materials released which are attracted to the spleen, bone marrow, etc., and potassium iodate or iodide will NOT protect those organs. It is of vital importance to evacuate or shelter properly and decontaminate, but potassium iodate or iodide can help to protect the thyroid. Following the nuclear accident in Chernobyl, a high proportion of deaths and illnesses were caused by thyroid cancers. A cheap bottle of potassium iodate or iodide could prevent such a scenario. The US government requires all localities where a nuclear reactor is located to have enough potassium iodate or iodide pills to be distributed to everyone living within a 10 mile radius of the nuclear plant in the event of an emergency. Most localities keep the pills in some central warehouse, thinking they can somehow distribute them to every person living within a 10-mile radius in a timely manner. Ha, another example of poor planning.
Kim-
Thanks for sharing the details.
Again. the KI is useful, but don’t ever let it make you foolhardy.
Under a nuclear event, most of your organ systems will sustain damage unless you shelter immediately.
Folks, make sure you ask your physician about proper uses of Imodium. I once picked up a nasty GI bug while traveling in Brasil, used Imodium, and darn near ended up in the hospital. My Dr. told me that for certain causes of diarrhea (the details of which are now fuzzy), that Imodium was not the correct treatment. The theory is that the body is trying to rid itself of the bug or toxin, and the best way to help this is to stay hydrated.
BTW, I’m an accountant, not a medical professional, so PLEASE, talk to your physician.
Just as an aside, did you know that TecNu (the soap used to clean the oil from poison ivy off of the skin) was originally invented to remove radioactive particles from the skin? Apparently radioactive particles can have some of the same stubborn binding properties as urushiol (the irritating oil in poison ivy). I read this info on the side of the TecNu bottle I got for my grandson when he got poison ivy.
Personally, I started with the basics, as you did, then started thinking about what I would need from head to toe. That gave me a plan…
For instance:
Head: headache remedies (tylenol, ibuprofen, aspirin). These products will also be used for multiple problems…pain relief in general, fever reduction, anti-inflammatory purposes, and even cardiac protection with the aspirin. Get the form most suited for your family members (pill, liquid, suppository). Decongestants like pseudophed, antihistamines like Benadryl (can also be used as sedation or sleep aid) and the non-drowsy types like Claritin, Allegra, etc.
Eyes: saline drops/rinses. Bottles of sterile saline for cleaning (infected) eyes might be useful. The water supply might not be so trustworthy. Conjunctivitis seems to be a symptom of this virus. Of course, if that is the case, you will be worried about a lot more than eyes…
Nose: again, saline sprays, nasal decongestant sprays, allergy sprays (most require prescriptions), again suitable for your age family members. Suction devices, like those used for babies with the long nozzle. Suctioning out secretions of a sick family member will be a major chore with a pneumonia. Always useful for a baby. Might be a useful implement with some adaptation for an adult or older kid. Tissues to contain sneezes, coughs. Covered garbage can to contain contaminated garbage.
Ears: Ear drops for infections. Ear plugs if needed, esp. if sheltering with multiple people.
Face: Sun block if venturing outside.
Mouth: Lip balm (good for keeping sick patients lips from cracking, bleeding…vaseline will do), cold sore meds if prone, items for good mouth care (toothbrushes, toothpaste, non-alcoholic mouthwash [keeps tissues moister, can use a mild saline solution], floss, dental kit. Multiple vitamins for adults/child (diet may be lacking…consider those vitamins that may be in short supply like vitamin C or D if you are inside a lot without fresh fruits/vegetables). Sore throat remedies.
Skin: hydrocortisone, antifungals, antibiotic ointments, dressings in various sizes, bandages, cotton swabs, cotton balls, steri strips, benzoine or any solution to help the strips adhere, betadine (iodine) solution, alcohol, ace bandage, tape, gloves for wound care, etc.
Chest: cough meds, adult/child.
Stomach/Intestines: Antacid meds (pepcid, prilosec, etc., pepto-bismol, calcium supplements, antidiarrheals (immodium, etc.), laxatives, fiber products, gatorade, oral hydration products, antinausea meds, liquid nutritional supplement, easy to digest, for ill patients, hemorrhoid remedies.
Remember those things unique to your family. This assumes that you will already have things like thermometers, bleach. Masks and gloves are items not usually found in our homes. The masks are items that may be difficult to use if not needed. The gloves can often be used.
This is just a superficial overview. There are many good lists on the wiki. It is just easier for me to think in groups of products vs. EVERYthing at once.
Having a new baby is expensive. I would focus on things you will use anyway, but you know you would hate to be without if you couldn’t go shopping for a couple of months! And get supplies for both baby and adults. Gotta care for both!!!
My family just endured Hurricane Katrina. One of them with a new baby. The things that concerned them most was keeping the baby safe because the water supply was damaged and was unsafe. Even when the water began flowing, it was still contaminated and they used it for toilet use only. They washed the baby in their bottled water supplies!!! I recommended disinfecting the water with bleach instead, but a new mom just will not take chances! So…they used their bottled water. Same with washing the baby’s clothes. They finally did use the city water, but used bleach in everything.
That is something I realized. How much bleach you would use in such a situation. Even with this. I shipped bleach along with blue tarps…bottled water was supplied pretty quickly, but no bleach. If this goes pandemic, we may have even the basic water supply to worry about.
Don’t spend yourself into the poorhouse. Get the basics and buy generic. Buy the storebrands. Compare the labels. If it is the same, get it. For instance, Benadryl = diphenhydramine. You could pay three times as much for the trade name (Benadryl) vs. the generic (diphenhydramine) <hope I spelled that right> AND it is the same ingredient found in OTC sleep aids…which can cost *6* times as much! Just read the label, ask questions, save some money.
sambucol-an elderberry extract has been shown to decrease the duration of influenza. you can find this at a health food store. a year ago it was $5 CAN a bottle. now I see it for $12 US.
Never tried sambucol. Any good info/ clinical studies? If you haven’t tried Coldeeze checkout their clinical study page. http://www.coldeeze.com/clinical_info/studies.html Fairly impressive studies for this type product. I’ve been using for several years.
MAV in Colorado, you are right. Re my suggestion to use hydrocortisone for a burn, I was discussing hydrocortisone as opposed to aloe, etc. for the common or usual small burn or sunburn. My suggestion was not for deep or quite large burns. I guess I should have given those qualifications. In the situation of a burn that is not quite large or deep, my suggestion of ice first and then hydrocortisone (plus Neosporin if the skin is broken or with a blister) has always worked very well for me. I was trying to make the point that I feel hydrocortisone treatment is much superior to aloe or other treatments for the common or usual small burn or sunburn. I just thought this information might be helpful for some people.
My knowledge of treating extensive or deep burns is limited, and I was not trying to address those situations.
A caution on the use of hydrocortisone… while the OTC hydrocortisone cream is probably pretty safe, I have psoriasis and use a much stronger concentration of a form of hydrocortisone daily. One of the cautions for it is that one shouldn’t stop using it abruptly, because it can cause some type of metabolic problem if you do.
Not if you use VET antibiotics or are near Mexico.
I had a deep burn. Had an aloe plant and used it after ice water soaks. Painful as hell, and saw doctor immediatly (chance had one of the public skin cancer testings scheduled) He didn’t seem overly concerned. A few days later saw my own physician, and outside of the comfort of having my little paw held and looked at and carefully loosly covered, nothing more seemed needed and in weeks after a couple of peelings it was much less ugly, and finally faded. I should get another aloe plant.After I had seen the dermatologist the skin was enormously blistered. One I burst, the other burst eventually by itself.. Same end result.
We have a bunch of new inhalers that my DH used to use. Anyone is welcome to them. email me @ lohrewoks@yahoo.com. I hate to just toss em.
(lohrewok – at 09:42 if you know your pharmacist, they may also be able to find a doctor that will pass unused meds along to a clinic the doc volunteers at. All the best to you.)
A comment on antibiotics. As a microbiologist I can speak with some authority. It does not matter what creature the antibiotic is for, fish, dog, cow, whatever. The ONLY difference is in the dosing. So if you do not have a pandemic aware, friendly doctor who will give you prescriptions you have several options. I did not stockpile “legit prescriptions” as this is a very expensive route anyway. What you need to do it look up the drug info for what you want to take. For the layman the easiest way is rxlist.com there are others but this is easy. You just need to figure out the amount in mg per dose you need to take and then track it down online. I have had great success with using Indian (dot not feather) drug sources. They are some of the cheapest in the world and their drug plants are all modern and top of the line. Your other route is to go to a feed store or some online store that sells pet antibiotics that has much more relaxed rules for selling you stuff. If it is for a dog usually the dose will be higher you need to adjust down for you to take it. But I can guarantee you there is no difference in fidos meds and human antibiotics as far as the antibiotic contained. I use online drug stores heavily. I can do a throat culture in my lab for a dollar and take the correct round of antibiotics that I stockpile for a few bucks more. Its cheaper than my co-pay. Even tossing expired stuff I have saved a boatload in the long run. Now I dont expect anyone else to have that ability but if you want to stock for pandemic and only for a pandemic I am all for it. Let me warn everyone though, just because you have antibiotics do not take them willy nilly as many times you dont need them and you are just increasing resistance genes in your body’s natural bacteria. Personally I avoid taking antibiotics unless I am sure I need them and then its the least powerful antibiotic I need. Don’t be taking the exotic antibiotics for common infections. You want them to work when you really need them. If this idea does not make sense to you I can explain it to people, but its kinda complicated biochem, just take my work for it.
nsthesia – at 16:38
RE:Your comment about the post-Katrina mom who insisted on bathing the baby in bottled water. I had completely forgotten how obsessive I was when I was a new mom. I had to wash anything that had TOUCHED anything that was not freshly washed. You get so paranoid about germs getting on a newborn baby. What a terrible situation to be in — an emergency situation…with a baby and you’re trying to be the perfect mother. Makes me want to stockpile a truckload of bottled water just in case I come accross a crazed new mom during a pandemic…poor thing! :-)
Hey,
Remember our discussions about if rectal feedings would be a viable alternative in an emergency situation with no IV access? Yesterday I asked one of our gastroenterologists this question without preamble.
He said it isn’t really a great alternative. The colon can only reabsorb water and sodium. And that it can reabsorb from 1 - 4 liters/day. That is what it does on a daily basis from the small intestine. Other nutrients would not be reabsorbed.
hmmm…water and sodium…
There is an older thread about elderberry extract/sambucol — with much discussion on how it works. It may HEIGHTEN the immune response which would be enabling the cytokine storm. Please read carefully and throughly before going this route for H5N1.
I bought Emetrol to calm quesy stomachs, ambesol for potential tooth aches and an ear channel themometer (who wants to lean over the mouth of someone sick?)
anonymous at 11:34
Kinda funny… with my first baby I was exactly as you describe, with my second one, it was 3 weeks before I even remembered to give her a bath! Someone commented on wanting to smell that “sweet newborn baby smell” and I realized she didn’t have that smell AT ALL. Well.. some of you have heard about my rather … intense… first child, so perhaps you can understand why the second got overlooked.
Anyhow, all of which is to say, she survived the lack of bathing just fine. I think as long as you keep the bum clean and the umbilical stump, they can do just finw without a bath, maybe some baby wipes for a little “john henry bath” as my husband calls it.
I would include at least one book on first aid in a kit as well. I have a medical background but my family doesn’t so they would need the information on what to do if something happened to me. I found a great book on wilderness medicine at my local Half Price Books for under $5 that is now with the medical stuff.
I have the absolutely necessary supplies in a soft-sided tackle bag that I picked up for under ten bucks at a sporting goods store. The bag came with plastic containers(for tackle supplies, I guess. I don’t fish). I used one to corral the small things like bandaids, swabs, wipes, etc., and gave the others to the husband who promtly used them to hold screws and nails from his toolbox. The tackle bag has plenty of pockets and a strap for carrying over the shoulder. I keep it in the bathrooom, which is mere feet from the closet where the BOB is stored, for easy access and grabbing.
Oceanside, CA
My group advises public safety personnel to stock in their personal kit(s)
Anti Viral ( Tamiflu / Relenza ) Antibiotic ( Levaquin / Cipro } Analgesia ( Vicodin / Codeine # 3 ) Potssium Iodide US Cash in small denomination bills
Best regards to all Yoda
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