Monotreme raised the idea of City Triage. Some cities would be written off as unsavable in a pandemic due to their size or possibly other reasons, so that limited resources could be applied to cities that stood a chance of making it through the pandemic.
On the news thread, Aspen, CO, was stated to have just two roads that could be easily blocked to quarantine it. I think the number of access roads would factor into triage calculations.
I would like to see this topic discussed in depth in one thread rather than mentioned off hand in many threads.
I would like to see where you would rate the city/town you live in. A — savable, B — unsavable, or C — not sure
I’ll Start: Roanoke, VA C — unsure(leaning toward A). Reasons: On the plus side - population density, 100,000 people spread over a wide valley, railroad hub, area farms, big Veterans Admin. Med Center. On the minus side - too many roads to quarantine it easily.
I would also add that Roanoke has very little flu planning underway as far as I can see.
I would also like to add, that if you feel your city has been written off, what are your plans WTSHTF?
Detroit area: Pfffft, very top of list “B”. There are NO TV news stories, awareness announcements and very few print stories about AF, near or far. I take both major dailies and there is just nothing. There _do_ seem to be very quiet plans taking place, though; I’ve seen very small stories about PF practice runs taking place in area hospitals, and at least two meetings with high-level local business leaders specifically about PF.
I live in the suburbs and found, to my great surprise, my county has a very comprehensive 90 pg pandemic plan. It lays out how a pandemic takes place over “weeks, if not months” uses realistic CAR rates (but not fatality possibilities — est. possible .4%). The thing I found most interesting in what I’ve read so far: (In a section about the powers of the county emergency managment, they may:)
5. Appoint, employ, remove, or provide, with or without compensation, rescue teams, auxiliary fire and police personnel, and other disaster workers.
Without compensation? Are we talking volunteers — or conscription? Seems an open point to me…
Oremus, just read your addendum… we are actively looking for bug-out property, but I believe I also skimmed a portion about the county quarentining along county lines… (in order to bar the door to Detroit, no doubt) and that would make it hard to get out of Dodge.
I am very, very worried. We are in a bad spot.
Atlanta - B - due to its having one of the busiest airports in the world - a lost cause?
I am shocked to read that some communities have pandemic prep billboards & signs in stores - nothing like that, here (Not that I’ve been to every corner of the metropolitan area.)
I’ve been through every stage on Concerned Mom’s fears thread - handed out prep kits to the neighbors - expect to be labelled a “nut” at today’s neighborhood watch meeting, which includes the police
We live just outside a very small town (pop. 400) in a large, but lightly populated county (pop. 3000) No way anyone will even think about us. The closest “big” town (has a walmart) is a university town, that could be VERY scary. Richmond is about an hour away, I see that as a lost cause too.
Hide-in-Place instead of Shelter-in-Place, and let the chaos wash over your area two or three times. Bury supplies under your shrubs in the dead of night. Have a disguised “safe room” like Anne Frank had. When it gets bad in the middle of the night, throw some blood around, make the place look like it has been ransacked, throw your doors open, and then hide very quietly for a long time. It will be miserable, but it is plausible.
I can’t afford bug out property, so I take a stand here. Supposedly Iowa will be a good place to be but nothing is being done that the public can see in Des Moines anyway. I have a hospital administator that lives on my block and we talked, the hospital is attempting to make plans, but word is, its a circus, they expect to be overwhelmed, nurses are already quitting. A big hospital so quite a few people are aware I guess, but no one is talking, its a big underground movement. Not sure where they are getting their info, doesn’t appear as if there are a lot of Iowans here.
I don’t think des moines will be quarentined, but could be wrong.
Couldn`t A, B or C depend somewhat on when the pandemic hits? Phoenix would be a B, if it`s the summer, and Minneapolis would be a B if it hit in the winter ? But, Phoenix is lovely in the winter, and northern spots fine in the summer.
Texas cities will be favored, not solely because (or even largely because) of politics. It is a large state with energy supplies and refineries. It is the only part of the country with a largely self-contained Grid. It is balmy in the winter for the most part. And it has major port facilities. I would imagine that Texas is being viewed as the National Redoubt.
As far as “plans” for local government, I do not see alot happening other than a few places, doing written plans, maybe adding some masks etc, but as far as a “city” taking care of its population, whether a few million (New York), or a small community (Pahrump, Nv population around 35 thousand), it will be the individual that will have to take care of their own needs. Otherwise, most is just fluff I suspect, and not really doable other than written plans etc. Was in the Fire Marshals Office and also doing emergency plans, and there is only so much that can be done, before total chaos sets in. If the pandemic is severe (I suspect 3% or above) things will fall apart and become disorganized.
I live in a suburb of a large midwestern city. The problem I see with my community is that there is a large self selected group of people who do not need to follow the rules. They park when it says no parking, do as they please when it suits them. Whatever rules go into effect, they won’t follow them. They will feel entitled to have my food and supplies because, well, just because. I know this sounds terrible, we have alot of wonderful people here too, but this group, could ruin anything that is put in place, as far as quarentines etc.
Ruth at 14;43-And that is why the forming of civil society is so laborious, sometimes taking centuries. The “lowest common denominator” in any population is a highly destructive force. They are “the friction” that civil society must keep contained through law enforcement. But once that contingent becomes a sizeable minority and a significant shock of any kind occurs, well then, that is when it gets dicey. And the progress of centuries can be erased.
(Ruth, I think ‘most every place has some of that “scofflaw set”, and even people who usually follow rules won’t sit home and do without food, power, medical care; who knows.)
Would have been nice to give informed warning to prep, 12 months ago. Easier to deal with adjustment reactions before first responders are caught in a pandemic.
Don’t know if local police have plans to roadblock any of the ways in and out of town. Did hear one say we’d hope refugees from Boston or anywhere else “moved on”.
Locals aren’t getting clear preparedness messages. (Though I can find some on the internet; Aug 2006, “Findings from the Forum on Pandemic Flu, sponsored by the Massachusetts Health Policy Forum, June 2006″ …”During the summer and early fall of 2006, a number of simulation exercises will take place and public information campaigns will begin. In the meantime, Cote encourages individuals to take action by making emergency plans, stockpiling a 30-day supply of food, water, non-perishables and medications and generally maintaining good health habits in order to be ready to meet the challenges of a pandemic or any public health emergency”…
(So far we’re getting a lot of Wash your hands to keep from getting “flu” PSAs. What we “need to know”.)
I don’t know where to put Portland, OR. It has access to a good dupply of hydroelectric power, but there is obviously no pandemic planning going on. There is also nothing here to save. There are a few large semiconductor plants in the area, but nothing critical to bringing back “society” after a collapse.
AVanarts – at 15:17 I worked for Tualatin Valley Fire & Rescue, and after the earthquake (Mt. Angel), we put on alot of earthquake prepardness classes for our district, and even then told people that they would be on their own, if a big one hits………no difference for the bird flu. Some will be done, but overall, if it is severe, it will be chaos overall. There is only so much areas can do, look at New Oreleans and the gulf coast, as a prime example.
Minneapolis - Hard to save, but might make it. We’re a Northwest Airline hub, so if it comes from Asia, it’s coming here fast. On the plus side the City and County have made real progress in preparing for disasters, including biological. We’ve got a decent CERT program, amazing block club organization (something like 93% of all blocks have a trained, block club leader), and most of us are used to winter storms. I think that’s going to be a common thread amongst the northern tier cities.
Perhaps cities with bridges across the Mississippi will be worth saving, if only to save the bridge.
I’m sorry to have to say it, but be aware that the POLITICS of your city are going to be important as was sadly demonstrated in New Orleans.
I do not believe that large cities with a majority of Democrat voters are going to be good places to shelter in a Pandemic for two reasons.
1. A lot of Democrats are poor, working class or welfare dependent people who will not have prepped.
2. Federal and perhaps State assistance (if any) is going to be distributed on the basis of where it can do the most good - medically, economically and sadly politically (In other words, with an eye to post pandemic elections.
For this reason, I would expect that the lions share of whatever is available (Tamiflu, Vaccines, Food, fuel, resources to keep the grid up) will go to communities that have made and implemented the most effective pandemic preparedness plans.
This is only logical, for without an effective disaster plan in operation, distribution of any assistance is impossible. For example, how can you inoculate people with a vaccine without some idea of how many you must inoculate, a network of inoculation clinics and a communication plan to get the message out?
To put it another way, as was sadly seen in New Orleans, the resources needed to help people who are sick, old, ignorant, poor, disorganized or just plan stupid are double or triple whats required to help people who are organized and have made a few plans to help themselves.
I cannot overemphasize that the more prepared your town/county/city is for a pandemic or disaster, the better your chances of surviving.
Where I live, although its a very very expensive part of town, I’m way too close to certain public housing projects, and when a pandemic hits, there will be no way to stop the wolves from coming out of them.
Hence my plan to bug out on my yacht long before the inhabitants of said public housing even realise whats happening.
I would guess that Detroit, New York and any other city with a large proportion of poor welfare dependent people is going to be a very bad bet to remain in.
Southern Indiana. Very easy to save community cooperation would be very high. Local officials are idiots. Not one real word to the people, the locals expect the FEDS or State to ride to the rescue besides it is “Just the Flu” and it can’t be all that bad.
I have plans to ride out the toughest parts at home hiding like Medical Marven has suggested, Hope to make it through the first 3 weeks after the water goes off. From then on it will be a lot easier, but the smell will be awful.
And One more thing….
Doh! I just realised the signifigance of what I’ve posted - which is that the more you can do to ensure your community and neighbours are prepared, the better your own chances of survival!
Lots of small towns and rural areas have a good chance if people get the word and prepare. My town has agrarian roots and lots of farm land around. Thus far, though, the pandemic flu threat is the best kept secret in town. I can’t get the local paper or the town government to move.
Walrus – at 18:03
I do not believe that large cities with a majority of Democrat voters are going to be good places to shelter in a Pandemic for two reasons.
Please, no politics. The Wiki is non-partisan. There are many Democrats and Republicans and Independents here. Not to mention many from other countries who could care less about American politics.
Most saveable country:
Most saveable cities (in the US):
Least saveable country
Least saveable cities (in the US):
I live in the Tampa Bay area. This encompasses several counties over very large areas of land. We have several positives and several negatives.
1. Our growing season is nearly 365 days/year if you know what you are doing. Greenhouses aren’t even required to pull this off. Citrus fruit here ripens primarily in the winter as well. Lots of people around with “edible” landscapes, if they know what they are doing.
2. Weather is OK most of the year. Even our coldest winters have few freezes. The problem will be the heat.
3. We have a high density of medical facilities. We also have several large universities in the area.
4. The reason we have such a high concentration of medical facilities is because we have a lot of retirees … both civilian and military.
5. We have MacDill Air Force Base — to big and important to just write off.
6. We have a large immigrant population (many nationalities).
7. Major international airport (TIA).
8. Major port city (Port of Tampa).
All of these can line up on both the good side and the bad side. I plan to SIP rather than bug-out even though we have property to do it. At this time, even with the negatives, there are still enough positives to keep us here.
I was thinking that cities without interstate highways into them or nearby would be safer (from refugees) and also likely to be exposed to the flu virus last. Those who are looking for a safer place to weather the pandemic ought to consider this input. I’m a 2 1/2 hour drive (@70mph) east of New Orleans and I-10 was a big parking lot for days after Katrina. It was a nightmare as many ran out of gasoline (our electricity was out for seven days too) were stranded on the side of the freeway without food or water. Most of the people stranded were responsible, law-abiding middle class people who had evacuated points west as instructed and were trying to get back home. They hadn’t realized they were driving into a ‘no-gasoline’ black hole until it was too late and couldn’t drive anywhere else when it became apparent. We made it thorough it but I learned a lesson about evacuees/refugees and interstate highways.
Idaho panhandle looks pretty good.
blam – at 19:45
Hi Blam! I agree… the further from any interstate or major highway the better off a community probably would be. I, too, experienced last years hurricane mayhem. Problem was, we were holed up in a national forest… miles from anybody… we thought. After Houston’s absurd evacuation… the major roads were clogged. When Rita actually turned, all those people east of Houston that had to get out quick… hit the back roads. That is the under reported stories. Those back roads were clogged with people from 2 states. Those little towns… couldn’t handle the onslaught. People were walking with their kids on their shoulders, sleeping in their cars … there was no gas, no placee to go, no food, no help (those little towns couldn’t handle the influx) and traffic was moving at a snails pace at best. This was a long way from any interstate… and pretty good distance from any major highway.
The roads were clogged… because interstate and major highways were clogged. This may not happen in a pandemic. However, people trying to “get out” will probably be taking back roads (and paths) if major highways or major cities are in trouble. Generally speaking, I agree with staying away from any interstate or major highway. On the other hand, my hurricane lesson from last year was… they just went first.
Monotreme – at 18:45
Where did you get that list? Fort Wayne? Why?
Medical Maven – at 13:45
I hope you are right about Texas. However… I don’t share your optimism. I think the border states are in big trouble.
i agree with comments above, have worked with low income community in my city, imagine low income people and families in other cities are similar, many live hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck, deciding if to heat home (in northern winter) or to buy food. Many of my former clients really, truly, would not be have the means to prep. I imagine the majority in their neighborhood would run out of food within a few days, forget about water.
I live close to these low income areas and am in a working class area myslef
So will Boston survive….? Lots of universities, hospitals, educated people. A large port and airport hub, right on interstate. People might come hear thinking they can get good medical care…but no…because even now apparently we have very little surge capacity with our hospitals.
And our pandemic plan in my opinion, the plan for MA, does not even TELL PEOPLE to prepare AT ALL as far as I can see. I have not met a single other person who will prep, including my own Harvard educated doctors (I asked three of them). I feel and see alot of complacency.
Does anyone else have an opinion…I love my city, but fear to people’s surprise it may be in the B column. I need to stay here and hide out because have no where else to go (can’t get anyone else to prep nor store mine, all deep in denial). I am prepped to do that.
i agree with comments above, have worked with low income community in my city, imagine low income people and families in other cities are similar, many live hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck, deciding if to heat home (in northern winter) or to buy food. Many of my former clients really, truly, would not be have the means to prep. I imagine the majority in their neighborhood would run out of food within a few days, forget about water.
I live close to these low income areas and am in a working class area myslef
So will Boston survive….? Lots of universities, hospitals, educated people. A large port and airport hub, right on interstate. People might come hear thinking they can get good medical care…but no…because even now apparently we have very little surge capacity with our hospitals.
And our pandemic plan in my opinion, the plan for MA, does not even TELL PEOPLE to prepare AT ALL as far as I can see. I have not met a single other person who will prep, including my own Harvard educated doctors (I asked three of them). I feel and see alot of complacency.
Does anyone else have an opinion…I love my city, but fear to people’s surprise it may be in the B column. I need to stay here and hide out because have no where else to go (can’t get anyone else to prep nor store mine, all deep in denial). I am prepped to do that.
Monotreme – at 18:45
New York making the least savable US City is a no brainer. I’m not disagreeing, but am curious as to why Detroit and Atlanta made the list.
Wallrus at 18:03, keep your politics out of the conversation. You just pissed off a Democrat voter. Maybe you will sail away on your yacht and we will never hear from you again.
I am curious by what you mean by unsavable. I realize that the large cities will have it really tough. After spending 2 days in NYC this summer, a pandemic would be a disaster, but a certain # of people would not get sick right? Do you think any supplies and vaccines, (after the first 6 months) shouldn’t go to the large cities but the smaller towns? This is certainly a scary thought, and who makes the triage decision?
After Katrina the problem was not with low income population but with no (legal) income population. JIT also applies to illegal drug markets. Also the newly displaced drug lords started scouting for new turf to dominate. Law enforcement friends tell me they have been instructed to plan for the worst and get out now if they don’t think they could shoot to kill.
I also live out away from Las Vegas, in a large valley up in the mountains called Pahrump, Nevada. When the SHTF, this place will be like the end of the chain out here, and I suspect that the population of 35 thousand will be in dire straits. The local politics sucks, the local emergency service sucks, and there is no one in charge to plan much of anything beyond their paychecks and political future. A large population of retired folks out here, and only 3 grocery stores, that will be emptied out in a matter of hours if something happens fast and gets on the news. And this is the 3rd largest county in the United States but the worst place I have been for emergency service and planning of any kind. Write this place off, as the dust blows across the road.
I live in the Rural South. Will we be written off? Of course! We allways have been. Will we survive? Of course! We always have.
Chesapeake – at 07:24
Interesting take, I’m a conservative, I think Walrus IS a Democrat, but you are right that fluwiki doen’st need to be hijacked by politics. I mostly just grind my teeth when someone new takes it there.
I’m thinking Phoenix & the rest of the valley is probably going to have a tough time of it. Water is going to be a BIG issue, and also *transportation*.
Phoenix doesn’t HAVE an effective public transit system. And it’s a huge, sprawling metropolis that isn’t designed for foot traffic. If there are fuel shortages, the city’s going to be in deep doodoo in a hurry. If there’s even a whiff of a fuel shortage — like when a pipeline broke a few years ago — you get mass panic.
And forget convincing people to SIP. That’s just not going to happen.
amen Green Mom LOL
Though I’m not in the DEEP south (central VA), our little tiny town won’t even be a blip on someone screen.
A scary way of evaluating vulnerable areas is to assume that most people start with enough gas to get them 200 miles. That’s enough to drive halfway across Kansas. Now look at a map of the US, and cut a circle out of a piece of paper big enough to cover Kansas (east to west). That’s the distance from a city that people will try to go, and many of them are going to be smart enough to look at a map and aim for someplace far from a big city.
Cut out 50 circles, and place one on each of the “Top 50 Cities by Population”
Then do it for your own state.
I don’t have a bugout option. My job mandates my availability to staff “shelters” (quarantine facilities in this case). I don’t think Baton Rouge would be deemed “throw-away” due to the presence of large refineries and chemical processing plants. How odd to feel grateful they’re in my area! Also, as someone pointed out, we have a rather large bridge over the Mississippi on a major east-west interstate route. I’m close to the capitol and I assume it would be adequately guarded. Most reassuringly, I’m in a very small, very cohesive neighborhood with very defensible entry points if it should come to that. I’ve planned some extra provisions which I hope not to come to regard as protection money.
anon at 14:19-I have reconsidered the likelihood of mass evacuations to the countryside. I had previously taken your view. Most people are not informed as we are on the extreme vulnerability of the Grid and how long it could be down. And the media broadcasts will tell the public that the power will be restored. (Sort of like being told to stay in place in the Twin Towers in NYC). By the time most people have it figured out the hazard of going outdoors will be extreme. And that will be another inhibiting factor. Finally a few will venture out, most won’t make it for whatever reason, (intentionally set road hazards, roadblocks, hijackings, etc.). The few that do make it out will not know what they are doing in unfamiliar territory. Not the situation to be in, if you want to play predator. The home field advantage will go to the outlying areas.
Big asset for living where I do is railroad transport into NYC. Bedroom community. Bad in case of Pandemicif hungry people were fleeing into the country side, unless power outage also means trains don’t run. Or if they stop the trains from running to maintain quarentine. If I where in charge and people were coming from the city in massive waves I would derail the tracks and make sure no train made it this far.
MM.
Lets say a person was completely unaware of a pandemic and living in NYC when it hit. If that person has to choose between staying and dying a certain death from starvation or thirst or leaving and chancing flu death, wouldn’t basic instinct make them attempt leaving?
anon. If everybody evacuates the cities out 200 miles what are they going to do when they get to their destination? Where will they sleep? What will they eat?
2beans. I don’t think any city will be “throw away” in terms of pysical infrastructure. It’s not like an earthquake, fire, or flood that destroys cities. The buildings and infrastructure can be used eventually (after the bodies are somehow disposed of --- I hope I’m not “selected” for that duty). I do think many cities are deemed “unsavable” in terms of human life.
My apologies to anyone who thinks I’m trying to inject politics into thias fine forum. I could have expressed myself better like Jplanner has. What I meant to say was what he said - it is not going to be healthy living in close proximity to low income people who are not motivated to look after themselves, but rely on other people and institutions for their welfare if we have a pandemic. I just made an assumption about who they probably vote for.
My particular concern is that many of these people will require an inordinate amount of scarce resources to try to look after them, and as Katrina demonstrated, emergency services would be simply overwhelmed.
Having said all that, should there be a thread on prepping cheaply, and perhaps how to organise an apartment block to survive? I know that groups typically produce better survival solutions than individuals. Maybe it is possible to SIP in a housing “project” full of low income welfare recipients after all.
A lot of prep stuff here is about how to keep the generator running and the freezer freezing, well what if you can’t afford either? Is it possible to organise “gangs” to provide security instead of creating mayhem as they usually do?
JJF at 16:63-Basic instinct is to stay close to home and to not believe the unbelievable. That is what happened to the Jews in Europe until it was too late for them. They will scavenge in their own area and become exposed and sick (or members of their family will become sick). Nobody wants to travel when sick or to move some member of their family while they are sick. Communication would go down about the time it dawned on most that “the cavalry” wasn’t coming and that the Grid wasn’t coming back on. Inability to be able to find out for sure what was going on elsewhere would also tend to freeze people in place. Also, if they did not get sick from the panflu, they would shortly become sick from bad water or food, You don’t feel thirst or hunger after taking in bad water or spoiled food, but later you become incapacitated. And again, that group goes nowhere. Or if that group does make it out, they become deathly sick in route.
And then you get into the rest of the scenario that I described above. The attrition would be extraordinarily high. There will not be hordes making it to the 100 mile markers (or even to the fifty mile markers).
And as far as NYC goes many there depend solely on public transport and the trains and planes. Enough said.
Jumping Jack Flash – at 07:17
New York making the least savable US City is a no brainer. I’m not disagreeing, but am curious as to why Detroit and Atlanta made the list.
Detroit and Atlanta are failed cities, like New Orleans. Although they are in close proximity to wealthy areas, Grosse Pointe and Buckhead, respectively, the cities themselves are basket-cases now. Any major stressor will put them down, IMO. Also, Fluwikians have suggested that neither of these cities have been making any plans to deal with a pandemic. I should probably add Washington DC to the list. It has the worst plan I’ve seen so far.
Despite Atlanta “going down” How much do you want to bet that the politcos in the CDC will survive?
Medical Maven – at 18:00
As far as NYC goes, people are used to walking, alot. Bridges and tunnels to New Jersey will probably be blocked, for one reason or another. So, people will walk north throught the Bronx into Connecticut and Upstate NY as soon as they are out of food. They will assume, perhaps incorrectly, that things will be better there. Some will die enroute, but the ones who don’t will be tough and resourceful. And desperate.
anon mc – at 22:41
Despite Atlanta “going down” How much do you want to bet that the politcos in the CDC will survive?
Unlike the Grid, the CDC has been hardened, recently. However, I’m not sure how much good that will do them. They’ve got to come out sometime. No-one will be immune to the troubles that result from Grid failure.
Again… why Ft. Wayne? What is there? Why is it on the top 3 list? I am seriously curious. Is it because of General Electric?
EnoughAlready – at 22:58
Sorry, I forgot to answer you before. Fort Wayne has been extremely proactive in trying to get their citizens to prep. There have been many stories in their local newspapers about prepping and the local PTB have all indicated that they are doing serious planning. As to why this is happening there, it’s anyone’s guess.
Here’s some excerpts from Wikipedia on Fort Wayne
As of 2005, an estimated 248,341 lived in the city proper.[1] The Fort Wayne Metropolitan Statistical Area has a population of 502,141, as of the 2004 update of the 2000 census. Nearly equidistant from Detroit, Michigan, Chicago, Illinois and Cincinnati, Ohio, it has historically served as a transportation and communications center for the region, and an incubator for many products and companies, much more so than its size might suggest.
Modern Fort Wayne is set in a productive agricultural area, but has always been an important transportation hub. The city straddles Interstate 69, and is served by Norfolk Southern, Conrail and CSX rail lines as well as Fort Wayne International Airport and Smith Field regional airport.
In recent decades growth based on a more diverse economy has resumed. General Motors opened the Truck and Bus Assembly operation in the 1980s. Fort Wayne employs many in the transportation and logistics sector, with Sirva, the Norfolk Southern Railway, along with its subsidiaries Triple Crown Services (supplying intermodal services) and TransWorks (supplying carrier and shipper transportation tools), and Kitty Hawk Air Cargo combining for more than 2,500 local jobs. National defense is also an increasingly important component of the local economy, with ITT and Raytheon employing more than 1,000 people each.
Fort Wayne International Airport[2] (formerly known as Fort Wayne Municipal Airport from 1946–1991 and Baer Field during World War II) is the only Midwest commercial airport, other than Chicago’s O’Hare, with a 12,000-foot runway. As of April 2006, a construction project was underway to strengthen the runway to make it usable by heavier airplanes that need a longer runway.
EnoughAlready – at 22:58 It is the one city in the county that has taken it seriously. They have worked with the local supermarkets to insure prepping supplies are front and center, the New Paper has been running lots of adds and informational pages. The local TV and radio stations are all helping out. In short they are getting the people ready as a community.
Wish the fools in my city would bother to read what is going on up state.
if you want see what areas to go to/from, try looking at these maps:
It is a map of the lights at night (US, world, etc), or: http://tinyurl.com/k4dec for population density.
The problem, of course, is that most power plants are near population centers. If you go away from population centers, then the problems with power distrubution become a major problem. Populations grew up where there was food and water. The areas with low population density are that way for a reason (they are low because “life is hard” there)
I was heartened to read of Wallrus’s idea to SIP the poor people in the housing projects. After reading his previous posts, I feared he didn’t care. How relieved I am that he wasn’t just thinking of how he might avoid those pesky “sick, old, ignorant, poor, disorganized or just plain stupid” masses in search of food, water and shelter for their sick children. Thank goodness I was mistaken.
Thanks for the Ft Wayne info… I have relatives there. One who lived through the 1918 pandemic.
Unfortunately, I also have family in Atlanta.
Here is some encouraging news: U.S. governors prepare for flu pandemic
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20061002-033331-1840r
Hope my governor was sitting between Washington and Indiana gov’s!!
dang… Australia is surprisingly un-artificially lit.
bump
Dennis C: Great maps! Nothing else needs to be said. I’m hearing a voice…go west young man, go west.
What am I supposed to do Ducky? I can’t even go into these “projects” and spread the word. The people involved don’t have the resources to prep, they rely on “the Guvmint” for anything and everything. Furthermore, they won’t even understand the message. The Government isn’t interested in helping them either.
In the event of a pandemic, they are going to have to help themselves, and that means helping themselves to what I have provided for my family.
Over to you.
I’d rate Ottawa as a ‘B’ due to the public transit usage, 20%. Social distancing is a moot point when you take that into consideration.
If there were a plan for cutting-edge mass immunization, that’d be the only thing that would save us. Unfortunately I haven’t heard of such a plan.
If TSHTF I will meet my fate with the rest of the huddled masses. I don’t have a bug out place, so I’m making my plans accordingly.
walrus – at 19:08
Your agenda is obvious. There are lots of sites for political discussion. Why don’t you try one of those.
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