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Forum: What Are You Hearing from Out in the Field II

17 October 2006

Bronco Bill – at 21:57

Continued from here


First post in previous thread:

beehiver – at 09:59

This thread is started to give people a place to post information they are hearing from colleagues, people in various businesses / industries, or from foreign countries. Perhaps it will assist some in “connecting the dots”, or deciding on further course of action.


anonymouse for this post – at 21:21

Spouse is out of town for this week and next and still concerned/worried. The speaker at this lecture was the Dr. Poland referenced above (Infomass 14:43). I think part of the “aha” was the seriousness of the tone of the speaker and no spin. Many of us have blinders on and don’t always look up to see the whole forest. We are busy, stressed, and putting one step in front of the other. There is also a lot to digest around the AF situation and it is becoming increasingly difficult to separate what is important and true and what is spin and untruths and let go of our belief that it couldn’t possibly happen. One look at most news headlines’ list and it seems that a vaccine or successful treatment is just around the corner and ours for the asking (as long as we have some money). But for this senior scientist it was hearing a credible figure step up to the podium, pull no punches, link the dots and make statements that rang true with the group—particularly on the topic of vaccinations—and I don’t know the exact statements but the conclusion seemed to be that even on the best day, with the best luck, and 100% of vaccine producers producing,it would still be only enough to cover a low percentage of the world’s population until we were well into the mess. That’s illuminating for all of us who hang on to the belief that science will make this easy to endure. And the scientists are working at triple overtime—if they are worried, I am worried—no make that triple worried. And like most other experts referenced here, what we do know is: there is no timetable to be known at this time or certain path, we have been warned by the gov to have no expectations of assistance,the most vulnerable are the young, and it would take very little to throw most cities and towns into chaos. So add that up and we know enough to get moving just as Dr. Woodson has recently posted.

Petticoat Junction – at 22:21

anonymouse for this post – at 21:21

I don’t know the exact statements but the conclusion seemed to be that even on the best day, with the best luck, and 100% of vaccine producers producing,it would still be only enough to cover a low percentage of the world’s population until we were well into the mess.


There was a study just released today and posted in the news thread. A few pertinent bits:

At current capacity, we cannot expect to vaccinate more than 14 percent of the world’s population within a year of a pandemic,” the researchers wrote.

“Similarly, although manufacturing capacity has recently quadrupled, it is estimated to take a decade to produce enough of the antiviral medication oseltamivir for 20 percent of the world’s population.

news report on study

That’s Just Ducky! – at 22:38

Petticoat Junction – at 15:44

I’ll be keeping an eye out for a post from you hoping to hear about what your uncle has heard, if anything, about the H5N1 situation. Thanks Petticoat Junction.

Petticoat Junction – at 23:02

TJD, I talked to my mother today. She said he is traveling and currently unavailable but she is going to try and get ahold of him when he returns. My parents are very on board with prepping and are highly motivated, so I know she also wants any info he may have.

If I hear anything noteworthy, it will definitely appear on the forum!

beehiver – at 23:49

About the 900 children being sought to train responders to deliver FluMist (posted by Safety Lady at 13:53).

Something doesn’t quite make sense about this. The instructions from the manufacturer’s package insert say, “insert the tip of the sprayer just inside the nose and depress the plungers to spray”.

FluMist is a live-virus vaccine. There are significant contraindications and warnings about FluMist in the package insert (page 2), including cautions for use on people with asthma, immune deficiencies, and other conditions. Recipients of FluMist need to avoid close contact with other immune deficient individuals for at least 21 days post-vaccination. One would hope this program correctly advises about warnings.

Can’t quite figure out why they need 900 human guinea pigs to teach responders how to squirt this gizmo. And if they are planning ahead for possible pandemic, how do they know it will be supplied as a nasal mist?

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