Hey,
I just read about a new product called Clinell wipes on a website http://www.orderhealthcare.com/ . Apperently its proven to kill the bird flu virus. What do people think? Is this all a hype? Apparently it was invented by two doctors who run a company GAMA Healthcare http://www.gamahealthcare.com/ . Also talk about two new products a hand sanitiser and a spray all proven to kill the bird flu virus http://www.gamahealthcare.com/clinell.html
They say
‘John Oxford, Professor of Virology at Queen Mary’s School of Medicine has said “Unfortunately, personal cleanliness and hygiene levels have dropped steadily over the last decades with many microbes, as never before, using the opportunity to spread. First and foremost to reduce virus transmission attention must be paid to hand washing and then when this is satisfactory, focus on cleansing surfaces and equipment shared by others such as desks, tables, telephones and door knobs.”
Clinell wipes, which were developed by two medical doctors, are a hand safe sanitising wet wipe that can be used to clean hands and surfaces. Having been proven to kill the avian influenza virus (H5N1) Clinell Wipes would be a simple yet effective method to reduce the transmission of colds and flu, including the bird flu virus.’
What are your views?
could you find, what the ingredients are ? They are somehow hiding this… Also, do they believe bird flu is caused by bacteria ? I always read about antibacterial wipes.
OK, I found it contains 5% alcohol and kills 99.9…% of bacteria. Nothing about viruses. Is it better than just ethanol or propanol or bleach or heat ? How long does it take to safely kill H5N1 ?
Looks like this is being posted on multiple threads and is an advertisement?
I don’t know how effective 5% alcohol wold be. I know the liquid sanitizers need to be at least 60% alcohol but it’s a liquid based product. Sounds fishy unless there are some other magic ingredients. Most testing sites for consumer products would not have access to H5N1 to test it definitively anyway. Clorox makes wipes (bleach) that might be a better bet.
I want to know if it kills human flu . . . who cares about bird flu.
Spam should be removed.
60–70% no more no less.. all alchohol based has to be that strong to be effective..
you can get 94% ethanol, 1l for 1.5Euro here, but it stinks. The same non-stinking cost 2Euro
If it’s only 5% alcohol it’s probably no good.
The minimum standards my group has to use for deactivating HPAI are 1% Virkon solution (1 kg per 100 L of water), 0.8% Profilm solution (800 mL per 100L of water), 3% household bleach solution (equal parts bleach and water), and 0.5% virocid solution (1L per 200L of water). All of these require a contact time of at least 10 min.
Virkon is good - I worked in a BSL3 lab and we used it for cleaning everything. I used to have purple hair back then and whenever I got Virkon on me (quite frequently) it would bleach the purple parts of my hair white. Powerful stuff.
I email them to ask. 1st they said quite rudely that all the testing is on their website and it has been proven to kill the actual H5N1 strain. They said the 5% alcohol is a non-active ingreditent and is just there to make it dry quicker. Apparently these are the ingredients:
Powerful patent pending biocidal formulation, containing 9 ingredients, based on two cationic surfactants; a synergistic mix of quaternary ammonium compounds and a polymeric biguanide, each with a completely different mechanism of action. This ensures the widest spectrum of activity whilst mediating against resistance.
These primary agents are reinforced by a combination of secondary slower acting biocides which add specific properties including head space protection and enhanced activity against fungi and mycobacteria as well as improved residual activity.
Whatever the hell that means!!
Boy - I used to work in marketing and wrote some pretty stinky press releases, but nothing that smelled that bad!
influenza viruses are quite labile. Any soap or any disenfectant will kill them.
I was just looking through there testing on the site, all looks pretty impressive and official. Certainly way more testing that any other product i have seen.
I think your right Tom. But i thought Norovirus was hard to kill and their testing section shows it kills norovirus. Must be some good formula!
Can you buy these wipes in the us?
Where you need the fancy disenfectants is for the more environmentally resistant bacteria.
Well i am all for a properly tested product Tom, especially one which kills the resistant bacteria! All i see in the shops these days are products which just claim to kill bugs, but you go on the website and you cant find the testing results anywhere!
Check out the websites about anon, but i was looking and doesnt look like they have any fda testing, all european!
60% alcohol [hand sanatizer] will work just as good as any fancy product. So will bleach. Save your money.
Clorox makes wipes as well that kill 99.9999% of germs. Clorox is also much cheaper than these - 2lb.54 ($4.00 US) for 40 wipes! - and are often sold in bulk at Costco, etc. As much as I don’t like corporate America, a company as large as Clorox typically will not make claims without evidence for fear of 1) gov’t intervention 2) lawsuits. I also agree with Janetn - soap, bleach and Purell work just as well.
I have just read all the comments above and I would like to respond to all of them at once. I am a nurse at The Royal Marsden Hospital in London and we use Clinell wipes. They are without doubt the best wipes we have ever had. They are now being used in many hospitals around the country.
Yes you need over 40% alcohol to kill microorganisms but they say the alcohol is only to help evaporation post wiping so 5% is sufficient. The killing power of the wipes is due to 6 biocides present in the formula. These biocides combine to make Clinell wipes detergent and disinfectant wipes combined as well as hand and surface wipes combined. Both these combinations are new ideas in wet wipe technology and as such should be applauded.
The formula was designed by 2 doctors who we have met when we first began to use the wipes. They have spent many years developing the product and have tested it rigourously. In fact Clinell has been tested more extensively than any other wipe previously.
It kills bacteria, viruses, fungi, as well as having tests for the lethal strain of bird flu, dermatology testing, hepatitis testing, hand data, surface data etc…
you can see all their lab data on their website.
instead of congratulating them on a wonderful product all you can do is criticise. Please learn your facts before talking
sarah –
This website does not exist to promote commercial products. Got any peer reviewed studies you can cite?
Same product, posted on the same day, June 20, 2006, on three different threads, all with pretty much the same opening paragraph. at 05:33 and at 05:30
SPAM alert?
pogge,
Check the IPs. Blocking may be necessary.
Spam alert …its on other forum sites other than this one as well. Sounds like a sales pitch to me.
Both WorriednUK and Shindul’s converstations are listed, verbatim, in other forums. Looks like they just visit forums together and paste the posts in. I’m sticking with my Clorox wipes!
Becky arent clorox wipes damaging to hands?
That’s what gloves are for… ;-)
The site www.orderhealthcare.com doesnt even work! Sounds like spam to me.
Soap and water make an excellent bird flu wipe…this virus is labile which means it is sensitive to all soaps and disenfectants…beware the snake oil salesman…there are going to be a lot of them.
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