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Forum: Cooperative Thinking Water Part 2

18 June 2006

BroncoBillat 01:37

Continued from here.

20 June 2006

MaMa- Still open – at 01:11

02 August 2006

RICHARD_FL – at 20:25

I’m just an average home owner who has a few questions.

1. Can H5N1 survive in water? 2. Can the birds with H5N1 gain access to the water cycle? 3. Can the birds pass H5N1 into the water supply like (Droppings)

4. If yes to 1–3 How do we detect it in our supply system? 5. How do we kill H5N1 virus in the supply system and still be able use it?

6. How will the water company tell us that the water is contaminated? 7. After warning; Do I have to boil all my water for all usage (showers/toilets/etc.)?

If these questions don’t get you thinking I don’t know what will.

Mari – at 20:48

If it’s a virus like other viruses, bleach, iodine, or heat will kill/inactivate it.

prepmaniac – at 20:50

1- Yes. In cool water for a month or more. I think the biggest public concern for droppings is in water used for recreation. —Lakes where ducks nest and people swim.-−2,3,4 ? 5.You can kill the virus by using bleach in the water or by boiling it. 6? 7. I would not take a shower in contaminated water. I would treat the water for the toilet with bleach. The virus may become airborn when you flush the toilet if the water is contaminated. You wouldn’t have to boil all the water, but you certainly need to treat it. Carefully.

Melanie – at 20:52

Use bleach in your flush tank. It’s hell on the rubber pieces, but they are cheap to replace.

03 August 2006

Bronco Bill – at 01:18

bump

04 August 2006

student – at 16:20

I am a student and i was wondering if anyone has any specific information or links from municipalities or water companies/departments adressing the issue of pan flu

Melanie – at 16:26

Here’s a link to the Wiki section on water supplies.

24 August 2006

blackbird – at 00:15

Excellent, excellent work! A couple of the links didn’t work for me on the “Public Water Supply page here http://tinyurl.com/f4sdn

References section: Questions to ask Your Local Utilities — File not found

Emergency Water Purification Methods: Information from FEMA — We Recently Redesigned Our Site and Some Pages Have Moved……

Posting here as directed “to make suggestions for corrections.”

bumping for bill and monotreme – at 10:42
pfwag – at 21:41

So I would know what to do to protect my family from potentially contaminated water, I spent a considerable amount of time (easily over 500 hours) researching water and related topics over the last 6 months. All of the information is contained in a report I am compiling from all the research and information I collected: “WATER - Everything you ever wanted to know or at least need to know about water so that you won’t ever be without safe drinking water.

It is currently about 95 pages and will be finished as soon as a filter expert completes his field testing on a low cost solution I proposed.

I am making the report available to anybody who wants it (free and I am not selling anything) Send me an e-mail pfwag@lycos.com It should be finished in about a week. Maybe longer if BB doesn’t give me his feedback.

When finished, maybe Melanie will post it in the FluWiki references so I don’t have to send it out.

The Table of Contents is listed below. If you want info on any particular topic now, let me know and I’ll post it on the thread or send me an e-mail and I’ll send you the chapter. However, there are many hundreds of links in the report - too many to manually transpose with tinyurl into a posting.

If there are any EXPERTS or very knowledgeable FluWikians out there that would like to review any or all of the report for accuracy before I make it publically available and it grows wings please contact me ASAP.

By that I mean that there is much incorrect info about water being circulated and repeated, even on the FluWiki. As an example, you have often heard that to disinfect your water use regular Clorox bleach. While that is nice, it does not kill the one thing that is almost assuredly in all surface water sources - Cryptosporidium and Giardia cysts. If you get BF you may or may not die depending on your age and health. However if you get BF and Crypt or Giardia you will surely die.

Here is what the report contains:

INTRODUCTION WATER WHY SHOULD YOU STORE WATER HOW MUCH WATER IS NEEDED? SOURCES of WATER

 A. WATER IN YOUR HOME 
   Hot Water Heater 
   Water Pipes 
   Freezer
   Toilet 
   Swimming pool 
 B. STORING WATER 
   Bottled Water and other liquids
   Plastic Bottle Types
   Plastic Water Jugs 
   55G water barrels 
   Water Bladder (Pillow Tank) 
   Water Bed Mattresses and Other Storage Devices 
   Water Tanks 
   Swimming Pool 
   Using Empty Food Containers for Storing Water 
   Filling Water Storage Containers 
   Taste & Smell 
   Shelf Life 

C. WELL WATER D. SURFACE WATER

   Springs 
   Rivers, Lakes, and Ponds 
   Rainwater 
   Snow or Ice 
   PURIFYING WATER 

EMERGENCY DISINFECTION OF WATER

  Waterborne Pathogens
  Cryptosporidium 

HEATING

 Boiling
 Distilling 
 Solar Still 

ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT PASTEURIZATION SOLAR DISINFECTANT of WATER CHEMICALLY TREAT

 Iodine
 Chlorine 
  Residual Chlorine – dpd indicator test
  Additional Information on Chlorine 
  Calcium Hypochlorite 
 Chlorine Dioxide 
 Ozone 
 Other Chemical Treatments 
 Miracle Water Treatments

FILTERING Cartride Filters Reverse Osmosis Activated Carbon Filter

  Granular Activated Carbon (GAC) 
  GAC pitcher and faucet mounted filters 
  Solid Block Activated Carbon (SBAC) 

Speciality Filters Filtering Conclusions Filtering Swimming Pool Water Portable Filters Gravity Filters Low Pressure Filter MISCELLANEOUS TYPICAL MUNICIPAL WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM

 Primary Treatment 
 Secondary Treatment 
 Tertiary Treatment 
 Final Adjustments 

INSTRUCTIONS FOR MAKING A MINI-WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM

 Aeration Methods 
 Procedure For Coagulation (flocculation) 
 Removal of Particulate Matter 

MAKING A LARGE CAPACITY GRANULAR ACTIVATED CHARCOL FILTER

 Parts to Get for the GAC and particulate filters 

WHAT YOU SHOULD GET TO ALWAYS HAVE SAFE DRINKING WATER TIPS for CONSERVING WATER

  Sanitation
  Other Tips 

WATER LINKS & REFERENCES

 WHO - Technical Notes for Emergencies 

The report has specific solutions and contains numerous links on where to go to get the best prices (other suggestions welcome!) I have no personal or financial ties with any of them. I have, however, spent considerable time, energy and money evaluating some of them.

26 October 2006

Closed - Bronco Bill – at 20:54

Closed to maintain Forum speed.

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