We now have three Michigan counties that have detected H5N1 in wildfowl, the latest being mallard ducks in St. Claire, north of Detroit. USDA is no longer issuing news releases on these findings, so you have to use the following link to keep track on your own.
http://wildlifedisease.nbii.gov/ai/LPAITable.pdf
Also please note that the USDA continues to withhold its test results on the H5N1 samples collected to date, and will not release the related genetic sequences. Your government dollars at work.
Glad swimming season is over.Kids around here go to a small gravel pit to swim,or to rivers.
Malachi – at 14:05 “Glad swimming season is over.Kids around here go to a small gravel pit to swim,or to rivers.”
This variety of H5N1 is not yet a human health concern. However, if it gets into domestic fowl, it will likely go High Path very quickly. This could cause two serious problems. One, it could spell economic disaster to poultry farmers across the country as others would likely ban imports of our products. And two, the high pathogenic nature of the virus could jump the species barrier to mammals, including humans.
In other words, despite USDA’s attempt to hide this from the media and the public, it bears very close monitoring.
Mamabird, I am including this in the Lookout Post USA thread! Thank you!
Mamabird please excuse my ignorance. But why will it go high path if it gets into domestic poultry?
TPTB only seem concerned with the economic impacts, therefore they seem bent spinning information [or lack of] to control their big boogeyman “panic”. Caveat emptor
Mamabird please excuse my ignorance. But why will it go high path if it gets into domestic poultry?
TPTB only seem concerned with the economic impacts, therefore they seem bent spinning information [or lack of] to control their big boogeyman “panic”. Caveat emptor
janetn – at 14:43 “…why will it go high path if it gets into domestic poultry?”
Of course, there is no guarantee that this variety will make the transition from low pathogenic avian influenza to high path, but that has certainly been the history of most of these H5 and H7 virus subtypes. It has happened with H5N2 (1983 Pennsylvannia and 2004 Texas), H7N7 (2003 Netherlands), and the Asian variety of H5N1.
This phenomina is generally discussed at such web sites as CDC and WHO, and there is a large volume of research on the subject on the internet. However, the exact mechanism for a virus variety to turn highly pathogenic is not clearly understood.
I am next door to Tuscola county. I guess I had better leave the bird feeders packed away in the garage for one more year.
Is Monroe county the third county,not listed on the table?Glad your around Bon,keep the feeders packed away :)
the small pipips dont have H5N1, they may become infected but this is mainly a waterbird virus, so keep on feeding those small pips during cold winters.
ps, flat open birdfeeders is newer recomended, beacuse of risk of spread of sicknes among the birds (they poo in it) bether is those that is like a tube where food slowly feeds out,, (arrghm my limited english! :D
OK I seem to be making a habit today of asking or making dumb observations. I will ask this here since it seems to fit. These are snippets from today’s news thread.
9:54
“In an effort to maintain transparency” CONFIRMATORY AVIAN INFLUENZA TESTS COMPLETE ON OHIO DUCK SAMPLES WASHINGTON, Oct. 26, 2006 - The U.S. Departments of Agriculture and Interior today announced final test results, which confirm that no avian influenza virus was found in samples collected earlier this month from wild Northern pintail ducks in Ohio.
And a few minutes later:
More H5N1 Bird Flu in Michigan Recombinomics Commentary October 26, 2006 The USDA has reported detection of H5N1 in Michigan for the third time.
Ok now my question. I can draw two conclusions here? 1. H5N1 just hasn’t been detected yet in Ohio, maybe test the same kind of bird here as they are in Michigan. Would that yield a clue?
2. The birds in question know where the state line is and know just not to show up here in Ohio.
Am I missing something here? Am I missing another conclusion? Whenever TPTB get involved telling me what I need to know, I start to become confused with all the transparency.
I have another question similar to Influentia2. I posted a story in the Close But Not Bird Flu thread yesterday about the fish in the Great Lakes having Viral Hemorrhagic Septicemia http://tinyurl.com/ymvoa8.
I was talking with DH about this because we were discussing the shrimp study that found viral increases before a viral outbreak that I posted earlier this week. Suddenly, we’ve got sick fish from a new virus that showed up last year that they are not sure where it came from, but they are supposing from the ballast water in ships brought over from Europe and Asia.
What I am wondering is this:
Could the viral infection in the fish have infected the birds with H5N1?
Could the birds have infected the fish?
Were there any fish die-offs that were reported in Indonesia after the Indonesians started throwing dead chickens in the river?
Were there any fish die-offs that were reported prior to the chicken die-offs?
Does anyone else feel like we should watch this situation to see if there is anything that we are missing, or is it just me?!?
BRMM 11:54
I don’t remember seeing any articles about fish die-offs in Indonesia after the chicken carcasses were thrown into the rivers. I posted an article back in September I think(tried using back-links to find it no luck) but the only article I remember seeing that even suggested that these carcasses were causing problems was when one village reported an outbreak in their poultry and officials knew that villagers upriver from them had been throwing the carcasses in the river. Anyway, the village officials suggested this caused the outbreak they had and shortly after that I stopped finding anymore articles like this. I believe this was in Banyuwangi in East Java. Sorry I cannot be more help but you have given me an idea here too. I could possibly try looking for articles about fish die-offs in my searches and who knows what I might find. I will try it and post anything I find on the Indo thread for you. I usually look for other key words in searches but your question has given me ideas. Worth a try and thank you.
Canine Distemper virus is the cause of large dolphin die-offs around the US and other coastlines. Viral infections from land animals are well-documented in aquatic creatures.
I have no information on H5N1 in fish however.
NS1 16:27
Thank you for your post. I had no idea about canine distemper infecting dolphins. I will have to do some reading in that area. Thanks again
Thanks, everybody for responding! I’ve just gotten back from my moving fun, and I’ll be helping move more tomorrow, so I’m going to hit my news sources for Central and South America.
NS1 - Thanks for the info on the canine distemper. Wonder how that is doing with the H3N8 that we have here in Florida.
Influentia2-
Ms. Reid on the JKT team did some of the pioneering work in identifying and isolating the pathogen in the dolphin cases. She’s an all-star.
BBMM-
The H3N8 is on my “A” list to watch. Little chance of recombination with the distemper.
NS1 Thank you for letting me know about her. I have been reading this morning and I thought I recognised your handle in some of the papers I have read today too.
Influentia2-
My belief is that the NS1 gene segment in Influenza and its equivalent in other viral pathogens is key to our understanding of H5N1’s virulence. Because I’d like to see others study that particular area, I chose the gene segment name for the non-structural protein to increase awareness.
I have not published work in the field of Influenza studies.
NS1
I certainly have learned a lot today reading about the NS1 gene segment. I also read the CFR Without Anti-Virals thread since we had decided several months ago not to take Tamiflu and see if that may change our minds about Tamiflu, but it did not. Thank you for increasing our awareness on this topic. My next stop is looking into things that will boost our immune systems and getting into a second year of preps. I will continue to read about the things you have posted on too I find this very interesting. Thanks again.
Influentia2-
I’ll be posting more in the coming months about causing your body to respond properly to viral assault; however, my firm belief is that no treatment will be categorically sufficient upon diagnosis with H5N1 in a pandemic form (PF51).
In the absence of a post-event solution, prevent the event.
Don’t become exposed. If you think that you will be exposed, be certain you’ve prepared your body to dismiss the virus rather than incubate it.