Continued from here
Indonesia Rules Out Bird Flu in Nine Suspected Human Cases
By Arijit Ghosh (Bloomberg)/ October 23, 2006 00:21 EDT / http://tinyurl.com/ylpaat
Indonesian local tests run on nine people suspected to have contracted avian influenza from the eastern island of Sulawesi, were negative for the virus.
The Ministry of Health, which conducted the initial tests, is waiting for the results from the U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit lab in Jakarta, Runizar Ruesin, head of the health ministry’s avian flu center, said in a mobile-phone text message today. Of the nine, one, an infant, died on Oct. 17 in South Sulawesi province suffering from flu-like symptoms. The rest are being treated in the provincial capital Makkasar.
Indonesia, which has the highest human death toll from the H5N1 virus, is stepping up efforts to halt the spread of the disease and tracking human infections for signs the virus is spreading among humans. The virus is reported to have killed a person every four days worldwide this year, more than double the 2005 rate, creating chances for it to become more contagious to people.
At least 256 people in 10 countries have caught H5N1 since late 2003, the World Health Organization said on Oct. 16. Almost all human H5N1 cases have been linked to close contact with sick or dead birds, such as children playing with them or adults butchering them or plucking feathers, according to the WHO.
While the virus doesn’t spread easily between people, some human-to-human transmission may have occurred. Indonesia attracted international attention in May when seven members of a family from the island of Sumatra contracted H5N1, six of them fatally. The cases represented the largest reported cluster of human cases and the first laboratory-proven instance of human-to- human transmission.
Let’s all just tell Mr. Ruesin that we aren’t worried about H5N1 anymore, but are getting very nervous about the Indonesian mystery virus that has led to that baby’s death and has caused “the rest” to be “treated in the provincial capital Makkasar,” along all those hospitals all over the country being inundated with patients for the “umpteenth time”.
So let’s not call it bird flu or H5N1. Any suggestions for a new name for mystery illness with symptoms of hot high of 39 degrees, cough, and breathless?
And, coincidentally, most of these “negatives” are probably being treated with Tamiflu.
“suggestions for a new name for mystery illness with symptoms of hot high of 39 degrees, cough, and breathless?”
Scary.
“ABBF”? Anything but bird flu ;-)
or nowadays, should it be “ABPF”? -Anything But Pan Flu?
How about “Economy Killer” or “Economic Killer”. Let’s cut to the chase.
“ird-bay u-flay”?
How about Indo-BS?
cephalic tetanus, mennigitis, respiratory inflammation? That’s if you die in Central Java. Tink at 10:10 has a point. It is all about $$$.
More on the two children in Pemalang.
Liputan6.com,
Pemalang: the older brother’s two children were siblings in Pemalang, Central Java, Wiji Riyanti (7) and Yusuf Maulana (4), died not long after several of his kept chickens died suddenly, just recently.
The temporary assumption of the two children was attacked by the virus avian influenza or bird flu.
Villagers Pedurungan, this Garden Subdistrict died without experienced was sick serious. Both of them could receive the medical handling in puskemas local but his life was not helped.
Before dying Riyati and Yusuf could experience cramps was accompanied by the height of the temperature of the body.
The community health centre side suggested parents both of them during immediately brought Riyati and Yusuf to the hospital. However in the trip towards the Yusuf hospital blew out the last breath and one hour afterwards the Riyati older brother following.
The family claimed to be several the previous day, their four kept chickens were sick and several chickens belonging to the neighbour precisely died suddenly without being known by his cause. To ascertain the cause of the death of casualties, the hospital side handed over the sample of blood and casualties’s saliva to the laboratory of the province of the health service. (YYT/Sugihartono)
More on the two brothers. It appears to not be bird flu, but they do not state what disease it is thought to be.
The NEWS about the Wiji Riyati death and his brother, Yusuf Maulana, the first time spread in the middle of the community widely as a result of being attacked by bird flu.
Although later the assumption of missing, could become serious attention of the agency’s related service.
The sixth and seventh child from the couple Tinyati (44) and Farikhin (45), villagers Pedurungan West, the Garden Subdistrict, Pemalang, everyday lived in inadequacy. Imagined, their father as the support of the pole of the family’s economics only worked as the bricklayer, whereas his wife lived in the house. Our child all of them seven. All of them were still becoming our security, not yet there are those that worked, whereas their father his production was uncertain. Because, he only a bricklayer, said Tinyatin.
The woman appeared strong with his husband faced this disaster. They did not appear to cry when coming across several mourners and the party of the guest from the subdistrict and the regency, including the Section Head the Health of the doctor Brotoseno the MARCH. Perhaps because of the condition for economics that barely adequate that, the health of their children was not thought about. That was in accordance with the Brotoseno analysis after checking the two casualties.
According to him, the two unfortunate children malnutrition. That was seen from the physical situation thin casualties, and the weight that was not in accordance with his age.
Not Burung Flu
The condition for casualties’s house very simple. Was at the edge of the Elon Time embankment that from time to time could overflow and cause the flood. Moreover, the aspect pengudaraan (ventilation) the house also not all that. Results of the inspection of casualties’s body that was carried out by the Health Service showed malnutrition to the two children.
The family’s member there are those that was stated had suffered the inflammation of ears, whereas the cause of the death of the two children was the tetanus illness or the inflammation of the respiratory tract. So, ‘not bird flu’, stressed Brotoseno.
After being checked, the two casualties were buried after the zuhur prayer in the funeral of the Row Village (the neighbour the Pedurungan Village), on last Sunday. The funeral is carried out like usually. Was not treated like casualties of the bird flu illness. For example to be packed with the plastic package or aluminium voil. The similar matter was also revealed by the Sub-district Head the Garden of Sunaryo SIP. the News about the Wiji death and Yusuf the first time spread indeed resulting from bird flu.
That was sent by several citizens because beforehand around casualties’s house had the poultry belonging to the inhabitants who died suddenly. However to anticipate the dangerous illness emergence, the Health Service has carried out spraying disinfektan. Moreover, the official also checked several livestock that still were living. However did not have signs like that was estimated by the citizen. Therefore, all the sides were asked to stay calm and to always maintain the health of the family and the environment. (Saiful Bachri-41n)
No, it’s not flu burung. We don’t have to worry about bird flu in Indonesia. We just have to worry about that freakish Indonesian virus that’s killing 76% of those it infects.
I suspect we will be very busy this time next week.
Hi all. I think I’ll wait on the official confirmation to mark the patients from S. Sulawesi as negative (see article posted by Pixie at 9:28.) The infant who died was Fajrin, but other than that, I’m not sure to which 9 people they are referring.
There were no changes in the summary today, so I won’t repost it.
Tuesday 10/24 - check all my sites - no news. Have a great day everyone.
Everybody is on holiday in Indonesia with opportunistic virus working overtime. I exspect a lot of cases to pop up shortly.
Has anyone been able to access the Jakarta Post lately? It won’t load.
anonymous – at 11:56
Nope.
Comment: Apologies if this has been posted earlier this month. This is the first I have read of it and didn’t see it posted with the archived news thread.
US President Bush may visit Indonesia next month
3 October 2006
JAKARTA - US President George W Bush may visit Indonesia next month to meet leaders of the world’s most populous Muslim nation, seen as a close ally in Washington’s global war on terrorism, an official said on Tuesday.
Desra Percaya, spokesman for the Indonesian Foreign Ministry, said there were talks about Bush visiting after attending the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit in Vietnam on November 18 and 19.
‘But the actual date and confirmation are still being discussed between the two sides,’ Percaya told reporters, declining to provide further details.
this might cause some resp problems Indonesia Holiday Travel Hit as Haze Shuts Airports PALEMBANG, Indonesia - Airports on Indonesia’s Sumatra island were shut or operating reduced services on Monday after rains failed to clear smoke from forest fires that cut visibility to just 200 metres, officials said.
The haze has piled on extra misery for travellers during a peak Muslim holiday period this week when Indonesians go back to their home towns and villages for Eid al-Fitr festivities marking the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.
Sultan Thaha airport in Sumatra’s Jambi province, where flights have been cancelled since last week, remained closed on Monday. The airport handles around 13 flights a day.
“There has been no decision whether it will open tomorrow,” said airport spokesman Olan Simanjuntak.
“It’s getting worse, it was raining last night but it has not improved the situation,” he added.
If rains are not sustained they can actually cause more smoke on burning land, particularly peat lands where fires are notoriously difficult to douse.
The fires have been raging for weeks, spreading smoke across much of Southeast Asia and triggering fears of a repeat of the environmental disaster in 1997–98 when dry conditions linked to the El Nino weather pattern caused a choking haze that cost the region billions of dollars in economic losses.
Authorities briefly closed another airport in Sumatra on Monday due to poor visibility.
The airport in the southern Sumatra city of Palembang has been overflowing with travellers after flights to Jambi were diverted there.
“The haze forced us to close the airport again,” Slamet Ditikno, an official at the control tower of Sultan Mahmud Badaruddin airport, told Reuters.
Flights resumed in the morning after visibility improved from 200 metres (650 ft) to more than 1,000 metres, another airport official said, adding that five flights had been delayed. RUSSIAN FIRE-FIGHTING PLANES
Indonesia’s disaster agency has leased two Russian amphibious fire-fighting planes to help in the battle, the Jakarta Post reported on Monday.
Indonesia’s neighbours have grown increasingly frustrated over the fires, most of which are deliberately lit by farmers or by timber and palm oil plantation owners.
But environment ministers from Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and Brunei failed to agree on a detailed plan of attack when they met in Sumatra on Oct. 13.
The holiday travel chaos was not confined to haze-shrouded Sumatra.
In heavily populated Java island, traffic jams stretching more than 10 km (6 miles) were reported at the weekend on the Indramayu-Cirebon section of the road network on the northern coast. Police reported a string of deadly car accidents.
The number of vehicles heading out of the greater Jakarta area was nearly eight million, 54 percent up on last year, Kompas newspaper reported, citing Transport Ministry data.
(Additional reporting by Harry Suhartono in Jakarta)
Story by Crack Palinggi
REUTERS NEWS SERVICE http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/38623/story.htm
From 22:19 To ascertain the cause of the death of casualties, the hospital side handed over the sample of blood and casualties’s saliva to the laboratory of the province of the health service.
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The results of these tests maybe will tell the tale since I am not so convinced the locals knew what they were doing. In the previous thread several causes of death were mentioned by officials. Wait and see again.
No new news today - 10/25 - at any of my sites.
Posted by Dutchie at FluTrakers. I don’t have a record of this person. Central Sumatra
The patient was suspected Bird Flu was returned
on Friday, October 20 2006 –
the Patient that was expected contaminated by bird flu, Wagiem (40) the Citizen Bangko Jaya Rohil, that uptil now was treated in Irna D RSUD Dumai isolation space has been permitted to come home.
This was caused by his health that has begun to improve.
The head of the Secretariat RSUD the Dumai City, Dr Syaiful, was accompanied by Kasi the service Dr Rita Novery, to several reporters, on Wednesday (18/10) explained, the return of the patient at the request of his family.
That was also supported with membai him his health. Said Wagien was the settling citizen in RT 02/RW 03 Bangko Jaya was the reconciliation patient from the Bangko Jaya Community Health Centre yamg underwent treated inap in RSUD the Dumai City since Sunday (15/10). “Wagiem experienced the high fever, was accompanied by the cough, flu and was sick to saluran breathing.” (saluran = gutter, tract, drain)
Now in his residence of dozens of tails of the chicken died suddenly, after being investigated evidently the chicken positive was attacked by the virus H5N−1 or bird flu.
However we could not say Wagiem was attacked by bird flu because still was waiting for results test blood that already dikiri to Diskes Riau, his seal.
Told in RSUD Dumai Wagiem under the handling Dr Erman Fauzi, But mamasuki the fourth day underwent treated overnight, his health appeared to begin to improve, so as on last Wednesday morning (18/10) on request of the family, Wagien had finally been permitted to come home.
RSUD Dumai is one of the WHO H5N1 reference hospitals, and it is in Ruai Province, on the Island of Sumatra, in the middle on the north coast. http://tinyurl.com/ym3uua
Pixie- funny how they didn’t metion wether he was treated with Tamiflu or not.
The similarity creeps me out:
mojo – at 14:44 “this might cause some resp problems Indonesia Holiday Travel Hit as Haze Shuts Airports PALEMBANG, Indonesia - Airports on Indonesia’s Sumatra island were shut or operating reduced services on Monday after rains failed to clear smoke from forest fires that cut visibility to just 200 metres, officials said.
The haze has piled on extra misery for travellers during a peak Muslim holiday period this week when Indonesians go back to their home towns and villages for Eid al-Fitr festivities marking the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.”
AND:
PBS American Experience: Influenza 1918
link:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/filmmore/transcript/transcript1.html
“NARRATION: Some say it began in the spring of 1918, when soldiers at Fort Riley, Kansas, burned tons of manure. A gale kicked up. A choking duststorm swept out over the land — a stinging, stinking yellow haze. The sun went dead black in Kansas.
NARRATION: Two days later — on March 11th, 1918 — an Army private reported to the camp hospital before breakfast. He had a fever, sore, throat, headache… nothing serious. One minute later, another soldier showed up. By noon, the hospital had over a hundred cases; in a week, 500.”
Disbelief in Bali” dated 10–26–06. http://tinyurl.com/y832vj
On Thursday, October 26 2006 the Provincial Government was not sure Bird Flu infected Babi
Denpasar - the Section Head Balinese Province Livestock Breeding, Ir Ida Bagus Raka not yet believe in that bird flu infected the pig as being found by the team of the Medical Faculty the Animal (FKH) Unud. Raka precisely claims up to now to be his side did not yet get the report on the existence of the pig that died the reason for the virus attack H5N1 that.
“Till at this time in Bali did not yet have bird flu infected the pig.” That would just the temporary assumption of the team of the researcher Unud. We with BPPV also has taken sample, but not yet in the conclusion of the existence jangkitan to the pig, said Raka toned denied it, to this newspaper, yesterday. His side will only trust results of the laboratory that the implementation personally.
Nevertheless his side continued to guard against the possibility of the occurrence of the mutation of bird flu to the other animal. “Our target precisely made Bali the free area of bird flu,” he stated. Because that of various anticipation was carried out….
“Frank that was minded by us was the Balinese tourism image, because if rumours of bird flu spread would more our bustle developed again this tourism,” obviously him….
“…obviously him….”
SULAWESI
26/10/2006 09:05 / MetroTV / http://tinyurl.com/sbytr
In MAJENE, the WASTE of the CHICKEN was checked
Efforts prevented expanded him the bird flu virus continued to be carried out.
In Majene, Sulawesi West, the agricultural Service and local Livestock Breeding checked the waste of the chicken to detect early the possibility of the spreading of the bird flu virus.
The official of Livestock Breeding of the Service visited each place of the sale of the chicken in the Majene Centre Market. Randomly, chickens were belonging to the trader taken by his waste during afterwards was checked. The local government worried after beforehand their area could be attacked by the plague of bird flu, the year set.
Moreover, this inspection was also aimed to give the safe feeling for the consumer.
Apart from spreading out the sample inspection of the waste of the chicken, the official also carried out spraying disinfektan in all the chicken coops that were sold by the trader in this centre market.
“Frank that was minded by us was the Balinese tourism image, because if rumours of bird flu spread would more our bustle developed again this tourism,” obviously him…. 23:52 post
Moreover, this inspection was also aimed to give the safe feeling for the consumer. 00:40 post
….and that’s what it’s all about……
In a country that has a huge dependency on tourism to support the local people it is no wonder that they will be very cautious - name one country that would operate any differently?
No news today - 10/26.
A poster at CurEvents found this one, just so you know:
It’s a given that some people expect presents October 21, 2006
…”Inside the envelope will be a wad of banknotes, in appreciation of their attendance and expectation of a positive story.
They call it “envelope journalism”, a custom not only practised by flash lawyers and dodgy developers: big corporations, government agencies and even charities regularly distribute cash to the local media. On a couple of occasions gifts have been given to foreign journalists but they have handed them back.
This week two government ministries admitted they continued to hand out envelopes of cash to journalists who attended press events, despite President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono’s campaign to eradicate corruption.
Insiders say the pay-offs have grown more sophisticated.
Press conference envelopes normally contain between $10 and $100, but many journalists have established bank accounts into which corporations can directly wire much larger amounts.
Tomorrow is expected to mark Idul Fitri, the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, a traditional time of gift giving when journalists expect and even demand contributions from the individuals and authorities they cover.
The editor-in-chief of The Jakarta Post, Endy Bayuni, admits the practice presents a serious ethical quandary.
“They don’t say it, but there’s an understanding they expect you to write positively,” he said. “Normally people turn a blind eye to a small payment, but sometimes it’s much more and can be an attempt to bribe a journalist.
“Around Muslim holidays it gets even crazier, because some government authorities and companies feel they have to give gifts to journalists.”
This week, many local journalists were demanding an annual handout to celebrate the end of Ramadan, but some take the process a step further, Bayuni said. “They ask for money, threatening businesses with negative publicity. It’s like extortion; it happens quite a lot.”
Indonesian journalists’ salaries are meagre, often exceeded by envelope income.
“Some organisations don’t pay any salary,” Bayuni said. “They just give the journalists a press card and let them raise money from news sources.”
…”“If the messengers themselves are corrupt, how do you trust the message?” he asked. “We need to address this problem seriously so we can be part of the campaign against corruption, but at the moment we are part of the problem.”…
Wow. Well that is an eye opener. Guess we just wait for mass casualities then. It makes it so hard to try to get a sign of what’s going on there in Indonesia. I’m very frustrated with this article.
I read an article detailing the same practices about a month ago. It was about journalists in Sulawesi that were paid not to publish stories. But, hey, our journalists here in MSM America aren’t talking about the issues either.
Grace RN at 14:56
I was thinking the same thing!! Very eerie. I think it is very possible that if the virus (if embedded in bird/animal dung) goes airborne via burning or windy conditions or whatever, it could go straight to the lungs. It seems to me that if a hundred people got sick the same day as in that army camp in Kansas in 1918, they probably were exposed at the same time. I can picture all of that chicken/duck poop containing H5N1 on the ground in Indonesia drying and becoming airborne.
Fire doesn’t neutralize the virus? Weren’t they recommending people dispose of culled chickens by burning and burying them? How long would the virus stay active in manure? The manure would have to be relatively old and dry in order to burn it.
Or am I just confused about all this again?
I heard cockroaches “clean up” after chickens
(I thought some sanitation person came in the forum once -to warn people thinking they could burn their biohazard waste?- who said incineration had to be done just right or some of the virus/particles of stuff would get lifted by the heat, and dispersed; not all would be burnt.)
http://tinyurl.com/y3lluk
Some interesting statistics at a site I stumbled upon. Here’s an excerpt:
With the addition of this case of West Java continued to occupy the highest position in the number of positive cases of bird flu, with 24 cases of Bird Flu, 19 including dying.
The second position, the Special Capital District of Jakarta (18 cases, 16 died).
The most case third et cetera, Banten (8 cases, 7 died), North Sumatra (7 cases, 6 died), East Java (5 cases, 3 died), Central Java (4 cases, 3 died), Lampung (3 cases of the life), West Sumatra (2 cases of the life), South Sulawesi (1 case died).
According to the data of the Bird Flu Command Post, the Directorate General of the Control of the Illness and environmental Sanitation, till October 16 2006, had data collected on it by 752 cases that had been suspected of suffering Bird Flu, 539 including being proven not Bird Flu. Bird flu was the illness that very deadly (highly pathogenic) for humankind, with the death rate (CFR) 76,39%. The Bird Flu illness (Avian influenza) usually attacked the poultry but could spread from the poultry to humankind. This illness has been contagious to the poultry in 30 provinces in Indonesia, because that the risk of the spread to humankind was tall enough.
[Comment: I come up with 213 after you take away the 539 proven not Bird Flu. Take the 55 deaths from that, and then the 5 “Cases of the Life”, and I come up with 153. So what’s up with the 153? If 539 were proven “not Bird Flu”, 153 people have it? But then wouldn’t they be “Cases of the Life”????]
As usual, the numbers don’t make sense. If you add up all the positive cases in the provinces you come up with 72. This is not even close to the 213 they cite. I think what they are saying is: 752 suspected, 539 proven not BF, 213 still suspected but unable to prove positive, may have died of other causes, or not had samples or autopsies done. It seems they are able to prove they didn’t have it (as they still have living bodies to sample), much easier, than to prove they did have it (died too quickly, tests failed).
Commonground – at 15:44
That is curious…. However, The WHO chart has the other numbers i.e. Cases = 72 / Died = 55
Maybe, those other cases were just cases they treated with tamiflu…. and suspected cases being proven not Bird flu (those which actually tested neg ) and the rest were just suspected but not tested.
Indonesia Summary - Updated as of 10/26/06
| Cases Discussed | Jun-06 | Jul-06 | Aug-06 | Sep-06 | Oct-06 | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Died, no test results | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 15 |
| Died, tested positive | 4 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 15 |
| Other tested positive | 0 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 5 |
| Symptoms, tests pending | 4 | 2 | 46 | 38 | 27 | 117 |
| Tested negative | 0 | 6 | 26 | 19 | 7 | 58 |
| Totals | 10 | 14 | 81 | 64 | 41 | 210 |
Eating carcass meat that may be infected, and reciting of practices used to disguise dead carcass meat. Central Java. dated 10–27–06. http://tinyurl.com/yn29vu
Purworejo (KR) - After the disclosure of the trade in beef glonggongan in a market in the Purworejo Regency, was indicated carcass meat also cleared this territory.
Nevertheless did not yet have strong proof about the circulation of the carcass meat.
”Tapi I suspected had carcass meat that was sold in the Purworejo territory, despite the relative amount sedikit,” clear the Section Head Agriculture and Purworejo Regency Livestock Breeding Ir H Akhmad Fauzi Ma to KR recently.
In fact according to Fauzi, this carcass meat was good the chicken and cattle, really found it easy to be known, because besides being smelly him was different, also his colour was rather bluish.
”Namun the traders also did not lose cunning him. Usually the meat is given dye (turmeric) so as his colour rather kekuning-kuningan,” he added. The trade in this carcass meat did not close the possibility of happening to chicken. That more was worried again, if the chicken carcass that was sold that came from the chicken was sick, that did not close the possibility also was attacked by the virus Avian influenza (AI) or bird flu. ”Selama this was rare the breeder that terjangkit bird flu, but that was affected precisely konsumen,” Fauzi words.
Likewise with the trade in meat glonggongan that succeeded in being seized by the team of the combination gazed at previous Lebaran, did not close the possibility of the cattle disembelih after dying because of being forced to drink water as much as possible. ”Biasa him before disembelih, cattle were forced to drink as much as possible so as his meat weight meningkat,” he said while added, as a result of being forced to drink as much as possible that did not close the possibility of the cattle of dying during afterwards disembelih.
With the existence pedagangan carcass meat and cattle glonggongan this, the agricultural Service and Livestock Breeding according to Fauzi, ask for would the existence of the rule that permitted the relevant service to check each trade in meat. ”Ini in order to guarantee the health for konsumen,” he stated. Because as far as this is concerned according to Fauzi, the illness threat from the carcass meat was very big, like bird flu, because of the consumer did not know whether that carcass meat or the healthy chicken.
”Maka we made a plea to the community in order to be careful. Not menyembelih the chicken that has died. Because of being proven has been that tertular bird flu as a result of consuming chicken that terinveksi flu. Necessarily consumer protection, only should not want to seek a profit him sendiri,” flat Fauzi.
comment: I certainly hope this article does not say that the cattle are force fed water, and then disembowelled before killing them to make them look plumper. I hope it is translation error, but I kinda don’t think so.
Pugmom-yes-that’s probably what they meant. Last year I heard here locally, that someone at a 4H fair , put a hose down their calf’s throat and force fed them water, so it would weigh more at weight time. they got caught, but still I find it sick, sick, sick….
Nothing new to report today - 10/27.
Metrotvnews.com, Jakarta: the Region Lenteng Great, Southern Jakarta experienced the clean water difficulty resulting from dry long this year.
Several citizens were forced to queue in the citizen’s other house that his well was still having water.
According to the citizen, the drought has happened since last July.
Several citizens admitted to being forced to buy the mineral water for the everyday requirement as cooking, in fact usually the citizen always made use of well water.
The drought in the region Lenteng Great this happened almost equitable.
The further citizen really hoped had help from the government because water has in their well been dry although they increased the depth of the well.
http://tinyurl.com/y49kdh
Anybody know anything about the fate of the Jakarta Post? No news and no Jakarta Post seem odd.
Inky - at 06:41 - the Jakarta Post isn’t one of my sources that I track.
InKy
I sure hope it’s not the beginning of a news blackout.
InKy - I haven’t been able to get the Jakarta Post to load either. However, most of the other Indonesian news sources have barely updated any of their headlines for 5 days so, so let’s not worry too much until everybody gets back to the city and back to work.
No new patients to report today.
Halo CG
I don’t think we should be to concerned yet about the lack of news. I would take this lull to prepare for my move. No new patients until known otherwise is good news. I plan on doing some baking and working on my preps during the lull. It will probably come to an end soon enough. I hope everything is going smoothly for you concerning your move.
Halo Influentia2! Yes, I’ve missed all my buddies here on this thread. I’m packing and packing and wondering…..why do I need all this “stuff”? But I’ll lug it to NH anyway. I was looking at some little baby shoes I saved from the kids. About 4 inches long. Sooo sweet. Going down memory lane…… I will never believe we haven’t had any new patients, I just think we haven’t heard of any. Some newspapers are dating back to October 20th with nothing since. Then….there was that article above here somewhere, that stated the Journalists are getting paid “gifts” to only report “positive, good news”. That really bummed me out. So, we can all take a much needed emotional break, but I still feel nothing has changed for H5N1….it’s still out there.
It has occurred to me that some here think that if Indonesia has enjoyed this break in H5N1 attention, they may be thinking “why not just continue the news blackout?” But I don’t think that will happen.
Indonesia has AI throughout most of the country (and it’s a big country). Their people and birds really are becoming ill and dying. In response, they are trying to mount an informational campaign to alert people to the dangers.
If they suddenly decide to keep AI and human H5N1 infections out of the headlines, all of Indonesia will then decide that the problem is over. Any attempts at an informational campaign will be met with the response “what bird flu?”
So, they are pretty well stuck with continuing to report both bird deaths and the danger H5N1 is presenting to humans. They can’t educate and hide the facts at the same time, so they are pretty much stuck with having to resume news coverage where we last left off. They do have a real problem, and they do have to alert their people.
The only new wrinkle in the mix is the new Bird Flu Information Guy, Mr. Ruesin. But his spin (and he is spinning) I think is mostly meant for the international audience. Fortunately, we speak ToggleText here and translate the local Indo papers so we will always have far more info than Mr. Ruesin is officially admitting to.
Comment: It’s baaaaaaaaaack! Bird flu has attacked hundreds of chickens in the Central Java triangle where we last saw our latest suspected human cases. They have buried the infected chickens, but it seems they were sent into the local river by flooding. They have apparently eaten the remaining chickens for the Lebaran holiday, as we feared some might be tempted to do.
CENTRAL JAVA
Oct. 28, 2006 at 09:17 / http://tinyurl.com/ykbhkr
Hundreds of tails of the Chicken in the Village of the shavings Elephant (Gajah Asahan) died Suddenly
It was estimated that hundreds of tails of the citizen’s chicken Desagajah, the Series Subdistrict of the shavings Hall died suddenly.
The local citizen expected the chicken that died that was affected by bird flu.
Amir Siagian to SIB, on Thursday (26/10) said, since Wednesday (25/10) several tails of the nonpedigreed chicken that was allocated for lebaran died suddenly, in fact beforehand the chicken that indeed disengaja diternak since the last 7 months healthy, but suddenly the chicken as being not powerful, his cock’s comb turned blue then his mouth issued the foam.
The citizen in the village mentioned the chicken illness “peokkon”.
The chicken that still was living walaupn has been sick was cut off to be consumed, because of from long before also the chicken that be hit by dented could be eaten.
However the chicken that has died was buried and was also a part was swept away to the river because the river water overflowed, explained Amir Siagian.
Apart from the chicken belonging to Amir, the citizen’s other chicken also already many that died suddenly. Estimated, since Tuesday (24/10) till Thursday (26/10) already hundreds of tails of the chicken died suddenly.
Encarta map of Gajah, Central Java: http://tinyurl.com/y376rk
Comment: I have the village of Bantang as being in Central Java, just to the west of Semarang. The other recent outbreaks in Gajah (above) are to the northeast of Semarang.
CENTRAL JAVA
Oct. 28, 2006 at 9:06 / http://tinyurl.com/ymhzoe
Suspected of being infected by the AI Virus, Seratusan the Poultry belonging to the Batang Kuis Citizen died Suddenly
Batang Kuis (SIB) In the last two weeks, seratusan the tail of the poultry (the chicken and duck-red) property of the community of several villages in Batang Kuis died suddenly it was suspected was infected by the virus Avian influenza (AI) that popular was acknowledged as Bird Flu.
The sudden death several poultry belonging to the citizen, first happened in Sugiharjo Village and the Sidodadi Village at the beginning of October.
Because the death of the chicken livestock aroused suspicion, the citizen reported him to the village head and the sub-district head. Got information from the citizen, the Sub-district Head Batang Kuis Dedy Maswardy S. Sos delivered to the Deli Serdang Livestock Breeding Service to be had action taken against him lanjuti after beforehand did the survey to the location gave various directives to the citizen.
The official of Deli Serdang Livestock Breeding of the Service carried out spraying in the Sugiharjo Village and the Sidodadi Village that were suspected by the chicken livestock belonging to the citizen in the two villages terindikasi the virus AI. Apart From in the two villages, as efforts anticipated spread him the AI virus to the contiguous village, the official also carried out spraying in the Merry Star Village and the Batang Kuis Village the Week.
No matter what was done by the Deli Serdang Livestock Breeding Service as efforts anticipated spread him the AI virus by doing spraying apparently did not produce results.
Proven, during the last one weeks at least 60 tails more the chicken livestock belonging to villagers Bintangmeriah and the Village of Batang Kuis died suddenly.
Like that was experienced by Asnah, the citizen of the Village Ii the Batang Kuis Village the Week, several tails of his livestock of the property chicken that originally was seen healthy and fresh suddenly died suddenly. Even so the chicken belonging to Eni, M. Yusuf, Rita, Syaiful as well as Pardi, on Wednesday (25/10) and on Thursday (26/10) died suddenly.
The Batang Kuis sub-district head Dedy Maswardy SSos that was contacted on Friday (27/10) through the telephone selular him justified the existence of the report about the death of several chicken livestock belonging to villagers Bintangmeriah and Batang Kuis the Week suddenly that was expected terindikasi the virus AI. the Batang Kuis Sub-district Head also confirmed if several days ago several chicken livestock belonging to villagers Sugiharjo and the Village of Sidodadi died suddenly it was suspected terindikasi the virus AI. Was efforts to anticipate spread him the AI virus, the side of the Livestock Breeding Service carried out spraying in the two villages.
The BIKT head (the Communication Body, Information and Telematika) Deli Serdang Zainuddin the March SSos that was contacted through the telephone cellular him really regretted the Section Head’s attitude Livestock Breeding Ir Zulkifli Nasution that did not want to lift his MOBILE PHONE when being contacted although his MOBILE PHONE was active.
Encarta map: Bantang: http://tinyurl.com/y892a2 Encarta map: Sugiharjo village: http://tinyurl.com/vusta
Commonground 7:13 You are so right about needing a break. I was hoping I could reach you and make sure you got my apology this morning. I am so sorry I misunderstood your post. I am a dork that way sometimes. I get wound up over this thread it is like my kids sometimes, I am overprotective. My English translations/interpretations are obviously rusty. I had to spell the word diarrhea in English the other day and I could only remember how to spell it in Indonesian. I told the DH I have read about more diare in Indo than English for so long I cannot spell it in English anymore. I told him I should run over to that E-coli thread and I could probably find the word there in English since I didn’t have spell check just to be sure.
I remember moving about 6 years ago and looking at old baby shoes too. Be careful with those I lost one. I see Pixie is already hot on the trail too. I looked this morning and am not seeing much except lots of vehicle accidents.
Going to a local football game and maybe I can get some searching done when I get back. I’m sure Pugmom will show up soon and be hot on the trail along with Pixie and you too.
OBTW, I asked my son today for a case of canned meat for my birthday (I’m thinking what a good way to add to preps)and he asked me if I had ever heard of those people who wear tin foil hats! I think he may be wondering about his mother!
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Comment: A new suspect H5N1 case in Aceh, M (39), who is now in intensive isolation at RSUP the Pilgimr Adam the Owner in Medan. He had been slaughtering chickens when the rest of the flock died suddenly.
ACEH/MEDAN
Saturday 28 October 2006 - 00:24:51 / http://tinyurl.com/ydmpfk
Was finished Motong the Chicken, the Acehinese Citizen Susfect Flu BurungUsai cut off the chicken, a man was 39 years old was stated susfect the bird flu virus’‘’.
‘The man from this Aceh currently gets the maintenance intensively in Longing space of A Ii RSUP the Pilgrim Adam the Medan Owner.
That was said by Deputy Director Pelayanan Medik and Education RS Adam the Medan Owner, Dr M Nur rasyid Lubis SpB to Global, on last Thursday (26/10). According to him, this patient entered RSUP H Adam the Owner, on Wednesday (25/10) with the temperature of the high body achieved 38 levels celsius.
“Currently the man that was going on holiday to your house him in Medan, still underwent the maintenance intensively in space isolir,” stated Rasyid.
According to Rasyid, casualties admitted to beforehand could cut off the kept chicken his relatives. Suddenly the other chicken died suddenly before could be cut off.
Nevertheless, added Rasyid, was based on results of the medical inspection, as far as this is concerned did not yet show if this patient terjangkit the virus H5N1. However like that the medical team will check further this patient.
Serang bird flu 15 regencies and the City in North Sumatra
Friday 29 September 2006 - 00:45:27 / http://tinyurl.com/y5pwo9
The death of the poultry that was caused by the virus Avian influenza (AI) to the poultry attacked 15 regencies and the North Sumatran Province City.
Namely Simalungun, Tebing Tinggi, Dairi, Taput, Deliserdang, Medan, Serdangbedagai, Nias, Samosir, Binjai, Langkat, Tapsel, Tanjungbalai, Humbanghasundutan and the Karo Regency.
As for the poultry kind that was attacked, namely the chicken, birds puyuh (quail) and the turkey.
Jumah the poultry that died resulting from terjangkit him the bird flu virus during 2005 reached 22,995 tails. To this 2006 till September reached 339 thousand tails.
Oh my. Still holding breath…
Influentia2 - at 16:48 - no worries. Thank you for trying to get in touch w/me. Pugmom has my e-mail. Happy Birthday, and many more to come! :-)
No news to report today - 10/29.
here is all the information I have collected today from my sources: (I am summarizing it it one post, as easier for me.)
New Case: death of 5 yo boy, named M. Pious from Tarakan, Kalimantan see below!! Tarakan is an island off Kalimantan---the first case in Kalimantan!!!http://tinyurl.com/vj5tc
On Sunday, October 29 2006
the Patient Suspect Bird Flu died Before entering RSUD, could hold the Chicken died TARAKAN-Community Tarakan and the area in the north apparently must guard against various illnesses that often attacked and caused the death for humankind.
Last Friday (27/10), Herma Fadiansyah, the child was 4 years that lived in the area old was as Bent, died because of the attack of Dengue Fever Dengue Fever (DBD).
Currently ‘’‘the news from RSUD Tarakan mentioned, last Friday (15/10), one patient suspect bird flu also died in space of Intensive Care the Unit (ICU). Unfortunately death information suspect bird flu that had a name M. Pious (5) this, just was opened by the RSUD Tarakan side yesterday. The death of the citizen A the Buji Frog that was expected because suspect this bird flu’‘’, was sent by Supratman SE, RSUD Tarakan public relations to the Tarakan Radar the afternoon yesterday. According to Supratman, from the sign and the characteristics that were found by the team of the doctor, strong the assumption that M. Pious died because terjangkit the bird flu virus, Avian influenza (AI). ¡°Berdasarkan the doctor’s research that studied concerning the characteristics of the patient suspect bird flu, Pious terjangkit the illness tersebut,¡± he explained.
Nevertheless, RSUD until this was still being waiting for results of the inspection of Litbangkes Jakarta. The RSUD side sent excrement and blood from casualties to Litbangkes Jakarta. ¡°Hasil him will come in weeks of ini,¡±kata Supratman. According to him, the citizen A this Frog, since last Wednesday (13/10) came to RSUD. at That Time M. Pious langsug was treated in UGD. But because of his condition quite critical, then the team of the doctor afterwards moved him to ICU to get the maintenance that more intensive. After getting the maintenance for 2 days in ICU, on Friday (15/10) around struck 09. 00 Wita M. Pious finally died.
¡°Dia only two days were treated in ICU, then died, ¡° Yatman words. According to Yatman, from the data that was gathered by the RSUD side, evidently M. Pious indeed had the story once body contact with the poultry. Moreover was named, the family M. Pious indeed memilihara the poultry, that some last time before M. Pious entered RSUD, kept chickens his family was sickly until dying. ________________________________________________________________________ Blurb on Tarakan: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, searchTarakan Elevation 318 m (1,043 feet) Location East Kalimantan, Indonesia Coordinates 3¡Æ21¡ÇN 117¡Æ34¡ÇE Type Pyroclastic cones Tarakan is an island in the East Kalimantan, Indonesia. It is a marshy island situated in the eastern Celebes Sea, off the northeastern coast of Borneo. The island occupies an area of 117 square miles (303 km©÷).Tarakan Lamo and Tarakan Itji (large and small Tarakan) have well-formed volcanic summit craters 800 and 500 m in diameter and 160 and 125 m deep, respectively. They are located near the shore of Galela Bay NE of Dukono volcano. The cinder cones lie between Galela Bay and Lake Galela, whose bottom lies below sea level. Supriatna (1980) mapped Tarakan as a basaltic volcano of Holocene age.Tarakan was the site of battles between Allied and Japanese forces in 1942 and 1945. ________________________________________________________________________ This is on Dengue, but am relaying info, as it is same area as above. Also same link.
On Sunday, October 29 2006 already 8 patients DBD died three people Still Dirawat
TARAKAN
-Dengue Fever Dengue Fever (DBD) that entered RSUD Tarakan has been worrying enough. In this year, RSUD Tarakan recorded the number of patients DBD that entered RSUD totalling 185 people. This number was higher from the data that was recorded in the Health Service totalling 183 people. From the number, as many as 8 people were among them stated died. The figure was totalling 185 people received from the Medical Record number (Mr) RSUD. eight people that was stated meninggaln that was known suffered DBD in the DSS category (Shock Syndrome Dengue Fever). The head Mr, Srimani that was met on last Saturday (28/10) said, in general this DBD patient could be only treated between 3 and one week. The available number at this time it was estimated still was improving. ¡°Kasus this, always was every time bulannya,¡± obviously him. STILL three people In the meantime, till yesterday still RSUD was still treating 3 DBD patients in Jasmine space (maintenance space of the child). The three patients namely Akiro Rafael (6) Street P Antasari that entered RSUD since Thursday (26/10) struck 20. 05 Wita. Radea (5), the citizen A the Buji Frog that entered RSUD on Friday (27/10). Whereas one him still was named Inzhaghi Fathana (8) that beralamatkan in Markoni RT 8 this entered RSUD on Thursday (26/10) around struck 18. 30 Wita. ¡°Dia could be feverish and was treated the house a day. But because hot him did not descend, immediately was brought by us to RSUD,¡± said wrong seroang his family’s member. ________________________________________________________________________ article dated 10–29–06 out of Java: http://tinyurl.com/yxncry
Surabaya - Surabaya Post Enter the rain season on the end of this year, the case of big possibility bird flu will develop bigger compared to for the dry season. The cold climate became the virus habitat H5N1 that became the cause of this illness, so as his spreading was faster. ¡°Virus bird flu that happened in Indonesia was different. They could have adapted to the environment, so as that necessarily in their dry season inactive, precisely menyebar,¡± the expert’s words in bird flu from the Medical Faculty the Unair Animal that also the member of the National Commission of the team of the expert (Komnas) Bird Flu, C. A Nidom, on Sunday (29/10). This spreading was he thought abnormal compared to other countries that had experienced the same case, that was seen from the number of bird flu sufferers who reached 55 patients. The number to that biggest in the world. Beforehand ¡°rekor¡± that was held by Vietnam, with the number of sufferers reached 42 people. Apart from because his habitat was the cold temperature, the handling of the government still could not till at this time prevent the spreading of the virus H5N1. The government was more focussed in the extermination of the poultry that was in the settlement. In fact, continued Nidom, the better method was the restructuring of livestock breeding, not the extermination of the poultry animal. ¡°Cukup by penning all the wandering chicken, afterwards made the centre of the pen that did not become one with pemukiman,¡± said he. He did not agree the pattern of the government that always destroyed the poultry, like that in one area was gotten suspect bird flu. The matter is, was not possible the virus H5N1 that was in the poultry immediately could infect the human body. ¡°Harus had the animal as his adaptor, that is mamalia,¡± he said. There were two reasons why that had difficulty happening. Firstly, the place adhered him the virus or recipient between humankind and the poultry has been different. If humankind was known alpha 2,6, the poultry only alpha 2,3. So also with the temperature of the two living creatures kinds. If the poultry achieved approximately 41 Celsius levels, humankind of only 36 Celcius levels. ¡°Pasti him needed the intermediary’s animal so as his virus could adhere to manusia,¡± said he. It was for that purpose, he at this time researched 400 examples or sample cat blood. ________________________________________________________________________
article out of Batang Kuis, North Sumatra: chicken die-offs in 2 villages reported: dated 10–28–06 http://tinyurl.com/ymhzoe
Suspected of being infected by the AI Virus, Seratusan the Poultry belonging to the Batang Kuis Citizen died Suddenly Written by Oct editorial staff 28, 2006 at 09:06 Batang Kuis (SIB) in two last weeks, seratusan the tail of the poultry (the chicken and duck-red) property of the community of several villages in Batang Kuis died suddenly it was suspected was infected by the virus Avian influenza (AI) that popular was acknowledged as Bird Flu. The sudden death several poultry belonging to the citizen, first happened in the Sugiharjo Village and the Sidodadi Village at the beginning of October. Because the death of the chicken livestock aroused suspicion, the citizen reported him to the village head and the sub-district head. Got information from the citizen, the Sub-district Head Batang Kuis Dedy Maswardy S. Sos delivered to the Deli Serdang Livestock Breeding Service to be had action taken against him lanjuti after beforehand did the survey to the location gave various directives to the citizen. The official of Deli Serdang Livestock Breeding of the Service carried out spraying in the Sugiharjo Village and the Sidodadi Village that were suspected by the chicken livestock belonging to the citizen in the two villages terindikasi the virus AI. Apart From in the two villages, as efforts anticipated spread him the AI virus to the contiguous village, the official also carried out spraying in the Merry Star Village and the Batang Kuis Village the Week. No matter what was done by the Deli Serdang Livestock Breeding Service as efforts anticipated spread him the AI virus by doing spraying apparently did not produce results. Proven, during the last one weeks at least 60 tails more the chicken livestock belonging to villagers Bintangmeriah and the Village of Batang Kuis died suddenly. Like that was experienced by Asnah, the citizen of the Village Ii the Batang Kuis Village the Week, several tails of his livestock of the property chicken that originally was seen healthy and fresh suddenly died suddenly. Even so the chicken belonging to Eni, M. Yusuf, Rita, Syaiful as well as Pardi, on Wednesday (25/10) and on Thursday (26/10) died suddenly. The Batang Kuis sub-district head Dedy Maswardy SSos that was contacted on Friday (27/10) through the telephone selular him justified the existence of the report about the death of several chicken livestock belonging to villagers Bintangmeriah and Batang Kuis the Week suddenly that was expected terindikasi the virus AI. ________________________________________________________________________ Dead chickens in Kisara, Sumatera Utara (Northern Sumatra) dated 10–28–06. http://tinyurl.com/ykbhkr
Written by Oct editorial staff 28, 2006 at 09:17 the Range (SIB) was estimated hundreds of tails of the citizen’s chicken Desagajah, the Series Subdistrict of the shavings Hall mati suddenly. The local citizen expected the chicken that died that was affected by bird flu.
Amir Siagian to SIB, on Thursday (26/10) said, since Wednesday (25/10) several tails of the nonpedigreed chicken that was allocated for lebaran died suddenly, in fact beforehand the chicken that indeed disengaja diternak since the last 7 months healthy, but suddenly the chicken as being not powerful, his cock’s comb turned blue then his mouth issued the foam. The citizen in the village mentioned the chicken illness ¡°peokkon¡±. The chicken that still was living walaupn has been sick was cut off to be consumed, because of from long before also the chicken that be hit by dented could be eaten. However the chicken that has died was buried and was also a part was swept away to the river because the river water overflowed, explained Amir Siagian. Apart from the chicken belonging to Amir, the citizen’s other chicken also already many that died suddenly. Estimated, since Tuesday (24/10) till Thursday (26/10) already hundreds of tails of the chicken died suddenly. ________________________________________________________________________
Dead chickens in Indramayu, Jawa Barat (West Java): dated 10–27–06. Sorry, lost link (forgot to file it in my word program)
Indrapura, (the Analysis) Hundreds of tails of the chicken livestock belonging to the community in several villages in the Air Putih Subdistrict shavings, died suddenly it was suspected terjangkit virud bird flu. According to Saidik R, on Thursday night (26/10), his property chicken that died suddenly that bukam the thoroughbred chicken. His afternoon looked like his chicken was still fit as a fiddle and at night died suddenly. Even so sifted belonging to Rajamin was the Saidik neighbour in the Village VII the High Land Village. All the chickens belonging to Rajiman died suddenly and not there are those that remained. Information was received, apart from in the High Land Village, the livestock the Red chicken, the Limit, Sukaraja and the Young Cape of the community of the Land Village also many that died suddenly. The owners of the chicken only submitted and took the attitude buried his chicken livestock that died that. For the inhabitants that his livestock did not yet die, asked for help of the official of the animal by giving the special vaccination.
comment: So in the last 2 days we now have new chicken deaths in central Java, western Java, 2 new places in Sumatra, one new human case in Aceh which is the first case in NAD, 1 death of a 5 yo boy on an island off Kalimantan, which is the first case in Kalimantan. Ramadhan has ended.
There is a large policy changed being urged in Pugmom’s Surabaya Post article at 8:28http://tinyurl.com/yxncry.
Dr. C.A. Nidom, maybe the top scientist dealing with H5N1 in Indonesia, is saying that he now disagrees with the practice of culling chickens when AI was found in a flock.
He is stating outright here that there is no point in doing that because the virus found in the chickens and the virus found in the human infections just does not match. In his view, the humans are not contracting H5N1 from the chickens.
Dr. Nidomm states that because of different receptors (2,6 vs. 2,3) and the temperature differences that the virus prefers, indicate instead that there must be an intermediary animal (mammalian) host. Dr. Nidom says that he has tested 400 cat samples in an attempt to find this mammalian host.
Should the authorities take Dr. Nidom’s findings seriously, the entire approach to H5N1 in Indonesia will have to be rethought.
(Dr.)C. A Nidom… He did not agree the pattern of the government that always destroyed the poultry, like that in one area was gotten suspect bird flu. The matter is, was not possible the virus H5N1 that was in the poultry immediately could infect the human body. ¡°Harus had the animal as his adaptor, that is mamalia,¡± he said. There were two reasons why that had difficulty happening. Firstly, the place adhered him the virus or recipient between humankind and the poultry has been different. If humankind was known alpha 2,6, the poultry only alpha 2,3. So also with the temperature of the two living creatures kinds. If the poultry achieved approximately 41 Celsius levels, humankind of only 36 Celcius levels. ¡°Pasti him needed the intermediary’s animal so as his virus could adhere to manusia,¡± said he. It was for that purpose, he at this time researched 400 examples or sample cat blood.
correction: last article above should read: dead chickens in Indrapura, Jawa Barat (not Indramayu).
Pixie – at 08:46
This is good news. Niman’s been saying this for months. There have been discussions here on the Wiki also of a mammalian vector for some while.
disgruntled posited it was ‘two legged and 2 stroked’ as I recall… hope disgruntled returns for comment.
pugmom – at 08:28
I’ve been wondering when Kalimantan would start reporting suspect bird flu cases. I’ve been checking their news sites off and on for months…nothing. I’ve felt like there was something there but it was not being recognized or worse yet, covered up. I wouldn’t be surprised if we start hearing of past cases there that went unreported.
Commonground – at 06:24
I might suggest indicating what portion of Indonesia you are looking at when you post that you have “no news to report”. You are doing East Java, right? I just wanted to make that suggestion because I have misread your meaning until now. Maybe its just me that has made that mistake. I appreciate all the effort you and the other newshounds put into this. Thanks.
pugmom - at 8:28 - on the first case of H5N1 in Kalimantan:
I think it is pretty clear that if you want to get your sick child the very best of medical attention in Indonesia, you’d better tell them that he was recently holding a chicken that died.
There is no mention of testing the other patients, including more children, who are also in the same Kalimantan hospital as the 5yo that died, for H5N1. Because they made no mention of any contact with chickens, they are assumed to have dengue.
Unfortunately, we reported on the Indonesia XVI thread on 10/16 that there have recently been thousands of dengue deaths in Kalimantan. At that point, Kalimantan was considered to be one of the few provinces which was free of H5N1 in poultry, so no testing for H5N1 was done on patients presenting with dengue-like symptoms. Now a 5yo boy in Kalimantan has died of apparent H5N1.
Thousands of West Kalimantan citizens were attacked by Dengue Fever 16/10/2006 07:16 / Liputtan6 / http://tinyurl.com/y3vb4e
‘’The plague of dengue fever raged in Pontianak and the other area in West Kalimantan as far as Ahad (15/10). Not not all that 1,200 casualties that most children were treated since the last two months. Moreover 15 of the patients died. One of the hospitals that treated the dengue fever patient in Pontianak was RS Saint Antonius. The number of numbers of the patient’s casualties made the hospital biggest in this city was overwhelmed’‘.
Hi Okieman - at 09:02 - I used to be just Sumatra, but now I go over 17 differnt newspapers/websites every morning from all over Indonesia. Pugmom gave me a great list, and she has been taking care of the rest of her list. Right, Pugmom? I was also thinking, if things get heated with finding new patients, it would be extremely helpful if we all could comment New Case and then put the Region after it…”N. Sumatra, E. Java., W. Java. South Sulawesi’‘’. I know sometimes even the articles I post, I can’t figure out exactly where to put them, then I ask, and everybody helps me out!!!
Hallo everyone! Back to work, no?
Yes, CG, I agree. I try to put the area in bold caps at the top of my posts so that if we later have questions about a case, or are later trying to find linkages or clusters in an area, the post is easier to find. The idea of putting the comment “new case” in caps is also a great one and I’ll do that from now on (not that we expect there to be any more new cases or anything).
Commonground – at 09:10 Thanks. The more eyes all over Indonesia the better. Posting the province is a good idea.
Today is map day once again. I’ve been doing them every ten days. My intention is to have one completed and emailed to DemFromCT by the end of the day. I’ll have to get Michelle’s latest spreadsheet before I do though. This map will likely appear quite light in cases compared to the past maps. I will place a qualifying statement within the map to let the reader know that the end of the Ramadan holiday fell within the time period, and reporting appeared to be less than normal.
Pixie at 09:07 - I couldn’t make any connections with Dengue and current Dengue patients in Kalimantan from your article. The only connection I’ve made are two victims from the same village: M. Pious (5) died 10/15 and Radea (5) entered 10/27, being treated, are both from A the Buji Frog.
Hey Team: Give yourselves all a pat on the back. I checked two other Forums - and we are the first ones to report this…… :-)
Commonground - No, there are no direct links (names and cases) from the earlier dengue story. I just wanted to point out that all dengue-like cases in Kalimantan, and there have been a lot of them, have never been looked at for H5N1 becasue the area was assumed to be bird flu free.
There is a dengue connection in the same article that contains the story of the 5yo boy,M. Pious, who was the first H5N1 casualty we have on record in Kalimantan. I wonder if this 4yo boy who died in the same area was ever tested for H5N1. I doubt he was, if no one mentioned that he had recently handled chickens.
Last Friday (27/10), Herma Fadiansyah, the child was 4 years that lived in the area old was as Bent, died because of the attack of Dengue Fever Dengue Fever (DBD).
Pixie, I’ve got a note on him (Herma). Should I put “Bent” as his village/area?
Commonground - I can’t pull up Bent on a map, but my guess also is that that is the name of his village/area.
Thanks Pixie
Halo all, I have checked over 2 dozen links. Here is what I have in a nutshell:
attendance down at the Bird Park in Jakarta.
many motor vehicle accidents.
diare in East Java and Central Java. Could be anything not going to post Pugmom can if she wants to.
I don’t know that I am going to spend two more hours on 2 dozen more links until later today. Think I may go do some work around here this morning be back tonight.
Have a good one all.
BANJARNEGARA
27 October 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/y2p9j8
DISNAKKAN Purbalingga did DISINFEKTAN; the Bird Flu Virus was expected from Banjarnegara
Purbalingga (KR) - the Livestock Breeding Service and fisheries (Disnakkan) Purbalingga carried out spraying disinfektan against thousands of poultries in the local animal market, recently.
Apart from the poultry, the basket and good motor vehicles the wheel two and the wheel four also was scolded. The spraying, followed the discovery of the case of the death of dozens of chickens suddenly property of the citizen of the District Purbalingga Lor last week. ”Ayam the citizen that died suddenly that evidently was bought in the Purbalingga animal market. Because of this, we must anticipate him by doing spraying disinfektan so that the spreading of the bird flu virus not meluas,” the Purbalingga Regent Drs H Triyono Budi Sasongko MSi said to KR when monitoring directly the implementation of spraying disinfektan in the Purbalingga animal market.
Now, several traders and the citizen that by chance was in the animal market said, not few of his chickens died suddenly. A trader of villagers’s chicken Galuh the Bojongsari Subdistrict said, for a week, belasan the tail of his chicken died suddenly. Several other traders claimed, chickens that was sold in the Purbalingga animal market many that were brought in from the Banjarnegara area. The bird flu virus in Banjarnegara in fact has claimed human fatalities.
Stick up him the case of bird flu was in Purbalingga preceeded in the Village/the Bojongsari Subdistrict, last August. Belasan the citizen’s chicken died suddenly. Disnakkan carried out spraying disinfektan all over the village in the Bojongsari subdistrict and the Mrebet subdistrict, that were neighbours with Bojongsari. Last week, not less than 70 chickens belonging to the citizen RT 04 RW I the District Purbalingga Lor died suddenly.The sporadic death happened on the Tuesday (17/10) till Thursday (19/10). The head of the District Purbalingga Lor, Sutarno to the reporter mentioned, the death of the chicken suddenly this only did not happen in RT 04 then. Originally, the citizen not there are those that also reported to the local district. Just after cleared to RT 03, one of the citizens, Siti Khotijah reported him.
After getting the report from his citizen on Tuesday (17/10), Sutarno at once reported this incident to the Livestock Breeding Service and fisheries (Disnakkan) on the same day. But the service did not yet at once descend. Just after having the second report in the following day, Disnakkan descended to the field and immediately did the verification and did the test used rapid test against the chicken belonging to the citizen who died suddenly on Thursday (19/10). Results, the chicken died that was positive AI. Spraying disinfektan immediately was done all over the RW territory 1 that consist of four RT, on Thursday and on Friday. ”Kami got help took the form of the syringe and disinfektan from Disnakkan, and the power from our citizen, we at once carried out spraying to 4 RT in the territory of kami,” Sutarno said.
For anticipation of the spreading of this virus, continued Sutarno, the district side co-operated with the Subdistrict and twins’s Community Health Centre Kulon did counselling and the socialisation to the citizen in the chairman’s house RT 4 RW I. Fadilah Sudarto.
Comment: This area, Grobogan, is right in the middle of the Central Javan peninsular triangle where we have seen recent human and sustpected cases.
Seven subdistricts of the Bird Flu Danger
27 October 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/y6qspa
GROBOGAN (KR) - the Office and Grobogan Regency fisheries of the Livestock Breeding Service appointed seven from 19 available subdistricts in the area was indicated as the risky territory high was affected by the virus avian influenza (AI) or bird flu. The seven subdistricts were Purwodadi, Brati, Toroh, Tawangharjo, Penawangan, Wirosari, and the Penawangan Subdistrict. ”Ketujuh ‘this subdistrict must receive serious attention from the Regional Government. Besides this the community must be on the alert if in his village was found had the chicken piaraan him died suddenly. Don’t was postponed-postponed reported to the Service Peternakan,” the headword of the Animal and the Health of the Community of the Health Field Veteriner the Livestock Breeding Service and Grobogan Regency fisheries, drh Riyanto, when it was confirmed KR, just recently. According to Riyanto, in fact be based on rapid test, only had four subdistricts that it was thought involved a high risk terjangkit the bird flu virus. That is the Tawangharjo Subdistrict, Purwodadi, Grobogan and Wirosari.
However considering had emerged the assumption of the case of bird flu in several subdistricts, then his side memasukan him into the risky subdistrict high was affected by the bird flu virus.
Like in the Toroh Subdistrict of some time had emerged the case of the death of the poultry in large quantities and the death a citizen that was suspected resulting from terjangkit bird flu after his chicken died suddenly. Afterwards in the Penawangan Subdistrict and Brati also had emerged this assumption
Map of Grobogan, Central Java: http://tinyurl.com/tynnk
Yes, I wander all over Indo, even though my original assignment was Cikelet. I have been waiting for Aceh and Kalimantan to come down with human cases. To those who like geography, Kalimantan is what we think of as “Borneo” (well, part of it) and here is a little blurb on Borneo:
Borneo is a large island in Southeast Asia that comprises Malaysia, Indonesia, and the sultanate of Brunei. The Indonesian part of Borneo comprises the southern two-thirds of the island’s area and is divided into the four provinces of West, Central, South and East Kalimantan. The Malaysian part comprises the northern coast and is divided into the states of Sarawak and Sabah. The tiny nation of Brunei is wedged between these two Malaysian states.
Borneo is the third largest island in the world, after Greenland and New Guinea. Its population is roughly 16 million, of whom 12 million reside in Indonesia (Kalimantan) and 4 million reside in Sarawak and Sabah. Brunei’s population is 300,000. The island’s hilly terrain, unnavigable rivers, and thick forests deterred industrial development until recently, and as a result Borneo’s population is comparatively low. By comparison, the neighboring island of Java - with an area 1/5th that of Borneo’s - is home to over 16 times as many people (130 million).
Okieman—weren’t you the one keeping your eye on Papua?? I have not been doing that.
“Sensational” bird flu in Boyolali, Central Java: dated 10–30–06. http://tinyurl.com/ya3z5b
BOYOLALI (KR) - rumours of bird flu again sensational in Boyolali.
However results ‘rapid test’ related the death dozens of chickens suddenly in the Village Kiringan the Boyolali City Subdistrict, was ascertained not because of the bird flu virus. The side and Boyolali fisheries of the Livestock Breeding Service expected the death of dozens of chickens suddenly that was caused because of Newcastle disease or the ND virus.
in the meantime, in relation to still was found by cases of bird flu in the area endemi, Red Cross Indonesia (PMI) the Centre ordered PMI the Boyolali Branch formed the Task Force (the Task Force) Bird Flu to help the government wage war on spread him the deadly virus in the area endemi in Boyolali.
According to the Section Head Livestock Breeding and Boyolali fisheries, Djoko Waluyo, not long after the Kiringan village community, Boyolali the City reported the existence of the case of the sudden death of dozens of tails of the chicken in the area, his side at once involved the team to do the inspection. “Dinas livestock breeding made use of the special implement to do the fast test or rapid test in the area that was suspected, but results of the negative, were not found by the existence of the flu virus burung,” Djoko words were contacted in his office, just recently. The incident, added Djoko, showed that the community had increasingly realised and been on the alert against the bird flu virus so as immediately reported and not mengonsumsi the chicken that died suddenly. His side suspected, the chicken that died suddenly that was caused because of Newcastle disease or the ND virus that also deadly, but did not endanger for humankind.
However, his side will always carry out special observation following the case of the death of the chicken suddenly in the area of these urban areas. Uptil now, added Djoko again, this territory not including the area endemi bird flu. Only, his location indeed off the region endemi, namely the Mojosongo Subdistrict that beforehand happened the bird flu attack until resulting in 2 people dying and hundreds of thousands of poultries died. While being separated, the secretary PMI the Boyolali Branch, Isjatto HS, said Red Cross Indonesia (PMI) the Boyolali branch formed the control Task Force of the plague of the bird flu illness.
This task force was formed especially only in the serious area and was endemi the illness Avian influenza (AI) or bird flu.
According to him, for the Central Javan province, was gotten by 14 regencies/the city that was instructed to form the bird flu Task Force by PMI the branch in respectively this area, including Boyolali personally, Klaten, Sukoharjo, Solo, Wonogiri, Sragen, Karanganyar, Semarang, Kendal et cetera. Whereas for the other territory apart from Central Java, each one, West Java, East Java, the Yogyakarta Special District and Bali. “Untuk in PMI the Boyolali branch, this bird flu Task Force has been formed. His member was 8 orang,” said Isjatto. According to him, the task of this bird flu Task Force will eventually carry out the socialisation to the Boyolali community and will carry out the vaccination to deal with as well as prevented became an epidemic him the bird flu illness. “Namun in his implementation, we (PMI-red) always coordinated with the Regional Government Boyolali,” he added. In doing his social task, this Task Force will involve 200 volunteers. Before entering to the field, 200 volunteers would diimunisasi, so that not tertular the plague of the deadly illness.
pugmom – at 16:37
Yea, that’s me. I’m waiting for the Monday newspapers to come out this evening. Hopefully it will be the regular lawlessness and not H5N1 in the news.
More on death in Tarakan. Dated 10–30–06. http://tinyurl.com/yfya7e (note: they seem to be including fecal samples now. I haven’t read that anywhere before.)
On Monday, October 30 2006
Dinkes was waiting for results of the TARAKAN-Emergence Inspection of two newest cases of the matter of the death of one casualty Dengue Fever Dengue Fever (DBD) and one patient suspect bird flu from the area of the Bulungan Regency, must receive serious attention from all the sides.
Especially for the case of the death of the patient suspect bird flu, although not yet having positive results of Litbangkes Jakarta, but at least all the elements including the community continued to increase health efforts of the environment and eradication efforts of the based illness these infectious diseases. This was revealed by the Section Head the Health of the Tarakan City Dr Khairul MKes.
One of the efforts that must be carried out according to him was to apply the healthy paradigm for health efforts dimasa came. The implementation of this healthy paradigm, he explained, one with the implementation of the sanitation clinic. With the sanitation clinic was expected to reinforce the task and the function of the Hospital (RS) and the community health centre so as to create the integrity in the eradication program of his main infectious diseases deadly illnesses like bird flu by empowering the community. “Kita in Dinkes, has done the step in anticipation. For example when accepting each good report from the Hospital, the community health centre and other health means, we immediately coordinated with the side terkait,” he explained. The co-ordination that was carried out, among them the taking sample the sufferer until making the report to Dinkes the province and Department of Health RI Jakarta. For Tarakan, he explained, as far as this is concerned just had the case that was reported, in relation to avian influenza (AI). “Kedua this case was to be accompanied with the taking of the sample of blood and excrement. Results, the suspicion terjangkit the bird flu not terbukti,” he stated. Whereas for the sample of blood and the patient’s excrement from A the Buji Frog that died in RSUD Tarakan that it was indicated was the patient suspect bird flu, till at this time was not yet accepted his report from Jakarta. Estimated, in this Sunday, results of the Litbangkes research will be accepted by Dinkes Tarakan. “Kemungkinan big results will be accepted in the week ini,”ujar him.
I wasn’t going to post this but I thought it was odd mixed in there with the holiday travel accidents I have been seeing many of, I think this is the obscure article Pugmom mentioned I might find today. I am glad to see this article, at least around Madiun they have some awareness of the possibilities of all the people mixing about during the hloiday. Has anyone else seen anything like this?
On Monday, October 30 2006 ended the Season went home, guarded against Bird FluNgawi - the official’s medical Readiness in the season went home lebaran not only in the matter helped road accident casualties.Anticipation various illnesses post the arrival many inhabitants from various outside areas also to kewaspadaaan.”Among them including guarding against the bird flu virus,” mdq said drg Hendro Wahyudiono, Director RSUD Dr Soeroto Ngawi, yesterday.Hendro said, although up until now the official report terjangkit him bird flu and the illness was dangerous and spread other was not yet available, but continued to have to be anticipated.His side has at this time had special space to handle infectious diseases including for the citizen who possibly was infected by bird flu.”That was frightened if being but being not realised by the community,” he said.Vigilance in this bird flu also was carried out because of the increase in interregional relations of various areas including from the returnees.His profit, until post-Lebaran yesterday the extraordinary and prominent case was not yet reported happened in the Ngawi territory.The “case not there is one that is extraordinary,” said Hendro.The official RSUD Dr Soeroto personally for the season went home this lebaran was not given a holiday.Hhanya their work schedule that was arranged.Hendro stated the jump of the patient has so far been still normal.Although having several accident casualties who needed the fast handling but could have been overcome.”We also received help of a hearse and an ambulance so as to help fast him the evacuation when being needed,” he said.
Influentia2 - No, I haven’t seen anything like that. Huh. I don’t like the sounds of it…..but I’m glad they are aware, but it goes against the “chickens died in our backyard” theory.
Yes CG it sure does something to the concept that a chicken is involved. I wonder if that was a major error in speaking on his part? Why would anyone even suggest that after every case has involved a chicken even if it was two weeks before they were ill as in the case of MaMa? Sure makes me wonder about things over there. There has been a lot of effort to establish the “chicken connection”. It also made me think that we are here on Flu Wiki and these people are in East Java thousands of miles away and we are all anticipating the same thing. That gives me the chills. Will be interesting in our searches to see if any new cases are returnees (Orang yang kembali) and find out where they returned from.
Well, it sure sounds like an admission of H2H to me.
Okieman—they sure have alot of HIV over in PNG, don’t they? Have you read all those reports? You wouldn’t think anywhere so remote would be plagued with HIV that badly. But I think everyone’s notion of PNG as a tropical wilderness filled with headhunters is wrong. From the very little I have seen in articles, it is now filled with a huge underclass, most on welfare, and with all the usual problems that go along with that. It reminds of the Australian Aborigines, and what a bad plight they find themselves in. Well, PNG sure surprised me.
pugmom – at 19:52
Yes, they have a lot of HIV and a lot of troubles.
On a matter of watch what they do and not what they say, there is an article in the PNG newspaper The Post Courier that describes a 400 person ferry bound for Port Moresby not being fueled and delayed over a portion of the weekend near Lae. The link is below. I am going to post the article on the Australia, Melanesia and Micronesia Thread. I have debated with myself about posting it because it may be absolutely nothing. Read the article closely yourself and see. My point for posting it is that if something is beginning they would want to delay the arrival of this many people in Port Moresby, the capial of PNG.
On the other newspaper in PNG there is an article with a title mentioning a pastor collapsing and dying, but then the link does not work. It works for every other article on the page, but not that one. Could it be an article concerning a flu like illness? I don’t know. Again, all of this may be absolutely nothing. I may be just jumping at shadows.
Here is the link:
Hi all. I’ve forwarded the spreadsheet to Dude and Okieman for posting and a map.
I listed two young children who died and were reported to be DBD patients for tracking purposes only. They are not included in the count column or in the summary I’ll post, since they were not stated as suspected bird flu.
It’s too bad there was news to report, but you all do a great job finding and bolding the information.
Indonesia Summary - Updated as of 10/29/06
| Cases Discussed | Jun-06 | Jul-06 | Aug-06 | Sep-06 | Oct-06 | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Died, no test results | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 5 | 16 |
| Died, tested positive | 4 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 15 |
| Other tested positive | 0 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 5 |
| Symptoms, tests pending | 4 | 2 | 46 | 38 | 28 | 118 |
| Tested negative | 0 | 6 | 26 | 19 | 7 | 58 |
| Totals | 10 | 14 | 81 | 64 | 43 | 212 |
A new suspect case map has been made and sent to DemFromCT for posting. Thanks Dem.
eegads..ToggleText is down
Comment: New Casein Makassar, but ToggleText is down and it’s hard to get clear details. It seems as if a new case, Ilya (22) is in intensive care at Wahidin Hospital.
Warga Jeneponto Diduga Terserang Flu Burung
30 Oct 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/ybb8sl
MAKASSAR— Ilyas, 22, Warga asal Jl Mairo Asramaya, Kabupaten Jenepponto, sejak Kamis 26 Oktober lalu, menjalani perawatan intensif pihak Rumah Sakit Dr Wahidin Sudirohusodo. Pemuda ini diduga (suspeck) terserang flu burung <snip>
MAKASSAR
30 Oct 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/ybb8sl
The citizen Jeneponto was suspected of being attacked by Burung
Ilyas, 22, the Citizen from Street Mairo Asramaya, the Jenepponto Regency, since last Thursday October 26, underwent the intensive maintenance of the Hospital side Dr Wahidin Sudirohusodo. This young man was expected (suspeck) was attacked by bird flu (Avian Influenza, red).
Ilyas several days were attacked by the high fever. The temperature of his body achieved 38 levels.
The matter of the assumption terjangkit bird flu, because beforehand several tails of his kept chicken died suddenly. Therefore, the official of the local health did not want to take the risk. He then at once reconciled Ilyas to Makassar to be handled serious on the assumption terjangkit bird flu.
Ilyas that was met by the Dawn on Sunday, October 29 yesterday in maintenance space of ferns, claimed to be his condition did not yet improve. The infusion needle also still tertancap on his arms. Despite this, the temperature of his body seldom decrease to 37, 8 levels. According to Suwarni, 30, Tante Ilyas, already 11 today, Ilyas experienced the high fever. Sometimes was accompanied by the cough and breathless. The “Ilyas condition increasingly the day increasingly weak and feverish him did not descend-descended.” Therefore I worried lest that the sign of bird flu, obviously him.
Further was said by Suwarni, Ilyas often maintained the chicken. This Sunday, many of his chickens that died suddenly.
In the meantime, the hospital side at once carried out the taking of the ‘’‘sample of Ilyas blood. Only was not yet known by results’‘’.
EDITORIAL Monday October 30, 2006
Lots of smoke, but no fire
“Unable to see their way clear” correctly describes the recent plight of millions of people in Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei and Thailand. It also describes the action of their governments and other Asean leaders. The people have been unable to see _ or to breathe _ clearly because of the annual sharing of smoke and smog by Indonesian farmers and corporations. The governments have been unable to see their way to solving this enormous inconvenience, economic burden and, worst of all, health threat. Citizens of Asean deserve far better from their governments, and from the regional group as a whole.
The source of the so-called haze that chokes, blinds and sickens Indonesia and neighbours each year is clear enough. Corporate farmers in particular, as well as small-time land owners, burn off their acreage in the dry season, as part of their traditional preparation for a new crop year
Each year for the past couple of decades, the amount of farmed land in Kalimantan and Sumatra provinces has grown. In many areas of these islands in particular, big companies have been increasing their cultivated land, using fire as a crude clearing system. Therefore, the number and size of fires have both escalated. That is the source, but only part of the cause of the smokey haze. Ignorance, arrogance and a lack of responsibility play major roles in making the haze, and in making it worse. There are apparently many people in Indonesia, some of them well educated, who believe that burning off old fields is an efficient and effective preparation for a new crop year.
Others know much better, but feel that so long as they can get away with using fire, it is easier than other methods. The logging firms burn off undergrowth to get to the good timber, and the corporate farmers burn at will. It is certainly easy to blame the fires on unidentified, small-farm owners, as a way of getting unearned sympathy. The farmers have no access to the media, which is dominated on this issue by the Indonesian government and slick PR agencies working for the corporate polluters. The truth is that if farmers with small land holdings were the chief fire starters, the haze would pose little problem even at the local level. In addition, a little education would go a long way with such farmers. A few years of demonstrating alternative, effective land preparation that involves no fire would soon convince land owners to try more friendly land-clearing methods.
After two horrendous years of fires actually killed people in Indonesia and as far away as Thailand in 1997 and 1998, Indonesia’s neighbours complained. Jakarta was sympathetic, but prone to making excuses. Heavier fines were imposed by law on fire-starters, but the enforcement was pathetic. Then, as now, Singapore and Malaysia were actually unhealthy in many places, the air toxic. Indonesian school children had to stay at home, flights were grounded and hospitals from Brunei to Satun treated thousands of cases of respiratory disorder.
Enter Asean, timorously. After four years of talking, Asean signed an agreement on what sensitive officials delicately decided to call “transboundary haze pollution” _ because if it was just in Indonesia, no problem. All the affected countries ratified the agreement, except one. This year, the 10th anniversary of the first big smoke-out, Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has promised to ratify the agreement
But Indonesia’s parliamentary commission for the environment has actually voted to delay ratification. First, say legislators, Thailand has to stop illegal fishing in Indonesian waters, and Malaysia has to stop illegal log-buying.
Malaysian Environment Minister Azmi Khalid got it exactly right when he said there were too many meetings, not enough action on the ground. The annual haze makes Indonesia a bad neighbour. Asean environment ministers are to meet next week in the Philippines. If they do not have an enforceable, forward-looking plan to fight the Indonesia haze by then, they should be called to account by citizens in their home countries who are threatened by the many dangers of toxic smoke.
Thanks Michelle in OK, Okieman & Tiger Lily. Pixie, you had me scared this morning, with the toggletext, but it’s fine. phew. Cottontop? Are you buried under snow over there in Watertown? Influentia2 and Pugmom, I’m glad we had the same take on that article. I didn’t find any new cases today in my search.
Halo CG, I wish more had commented on it. I would love to hear their opinions. I didn’t see anything new either. 70 degrees here today am raking leaves soon. Have a good one.
commonground-
Halo to all you wonderful people! I’ve had to take a break over the weekend,hubby b-day, winterizing, buidling an ark (sooo much rain), daughter’s halloween party. I’ve been checking on things, but haven’t been able to spend the time. A friend wanted me to help her with her microeconomics homework! I’m like “hello.” But I owed her a favor and have been searching for web information for her. I think things will get back to normal this week, hopefull. Hubby has another doctor’s appt., tomorrow for his back. Just doesn’t look good. Anyhow, guys and gals, I’m here, sometimes lurking, if you don’t hear from me. You people are really something. Hope everone has a great day. (coffee cup up)
Thanks Cottontop I posted something with you in mind(you seem to me to have a good sense of humor) on the Humor thread.
Influentia2-
Thank you. I love to laugh, and I love to make people laugh. It really is a good feeling, physically, to just be silly. My dad had a great sense of humor, and we callede him the joke master. He loved his Texas Aggie jokes. Since my dad was in the airforce, and airplanes were his life, and a big part of mine, I posted that for him, because I know he would have loved it. i just couldn’t stop laughting while I was typing, and it took me forever to get it posted. I love a good joke, and Carrey in Va gets me everytime. Hope we contine to use the humor page. Hope you have a beautiful day.
Morning all- just wanted to let you all know that even if we’re not posting, we’re reading all this and thanks so MUCH!
Cotton-top-your weekend sounds like mine-big halloween party, mostly a lot o’teens with all night DnD adventure. alas, the bon-fire was rained out. Wet basement :-( I’m trying to get everything dried out before another round o’ rain! Its allready gorgous out today. No microeconomics-wow! but had to work sat/sun. kinda tired this am-but I need to shovel out all the snack debris from my kitchen…..
Well thank you Cottontop.
I laughed over this one I found by accident and thought I’d share it. A little humor now and then really helps.
Halo everybody!
Influentia2 - I too think that they are beginning to throw in the towel and admit that the chicken/human H5N1 conncection is tenuous at best. From your post at 19:12:
His side has at this time had special space to handle infectious diseases including for the citizen who possibly was infected by bird flu.”That was frightened if being but being not realised by the community,”
That reads to me like they are afraid that infected but still asymptomatic people may be walking around, and the fear would be that they may be infecting others. That is clearly an admission that they are worried about H2H, and well aware that it could happen, particularly during this Lebaran travel time when so many people are moving about in tight crowds.
Dr. Nidom is telling them strongly that it’s not the chickens too. It will be interesting to see what kind of policies arise from this new awareness. Right now, it seems clear that you only get tested for H5N1 if you enter a hospital with a high fever AND happen to mention that you held a chicken that died in your arms recently. That may finally change, and perhaps we will see more hospitalizations being screened for H5N1 if they present with suspect symptoms.
I do think that the hardworking doctors in Indonesia really want to save these people, particularly these little kids. But somehow the entire nation, and the entire medical community (except for Dr. Nidom), has bought into the message that H5N1 is possible only if dead poultry is involved. If they unlink the human/chicken requirement, they may detect many more cases, but on the other hand many more people may be saved.
The sad thing about helping my friend, is that I got brided with a box of Krispy cream donuts! the glaze just came over my eyes, and the next thing I know, I’m agreeing to this! Shows you what I’ll get myself into for krispy creams. Yes people, it is sad. I ncan be bribed! (but I can live with that.)
Comment: H5N1 did not get the memo that it was supposed to be on holiday. Tanjungbalai appears to be a small island about midway between Sumatra Island and Singapore.
TANJUNGBALAI
Monday, 30 October 2006, 09:28:13 / http://tinyurl.com/y5juvq
Serang bird flu Tanjungbalai Masyarakat the District of Subdistrict tusks Datukbandar the Tanjungbalai City currently dicekam the fear.
‘’‘Hundreds of poultries peliharaaan, as the chicken and the duck, suddenly died suddenly. They worried the plague of bird flu attacked his area’‘’.
To anticipate expanded him the spreading of the bird flu illness, the community then quickly burnt all the poultry that died. Not only that, several citizens also took part in burning his chicken coop.
Map of Tanjungalai: http://tinyurl.com/yx67ao
They are frightened. From Pixie - at 09:32: Not only that, several citizens also took part in burning his chicken coop.
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