looking at the maplecroft index, it seems to make sense
to move e.g. from USA to Canada or from UK to Iceland.
http://maps.maplecroft.com/loadmap?template=map&issueID=56
Maybe get on a boat and filled it with as much food as possibly and sailed away from the USA maybe i endup on some island (most likely i endup 6 feet deep when i feel asleep or the waves tip the boat over)
I wouldn’t mind going to Iceland. That place has allways intrigued me. Last year I read a big chunk of the Icelandic Sagas. I think I read somewhere that Iceland has the highest Literacy Rate in the world. Plus I like pickeled herring and rye bread. Maybe now would be a good time to book an extended vacation?
I havn’t read any Canadian Sagas.
anonymous – at 05:06, you can store the food somewhere on the shore hidden
at a remote place and occasionally fetch some of it with your boat.
Green Mom - at 09:00, I wouldn’t base my decision on sagas or eating habits.
Striking that UK has one of the least PRI and Iceland is top. I guess, we
shouldn’t trust this PRI too much. Looks suspicious to me.
is constantly debating the merits of a small town in Iowa USA versus a small town at the tip of the baja peninsula in Mexico
We have been planning a move to rural Spain for years. We feel it’s a better place for our kids and yes…we want to be self sufficient.
I recall a reporter interviewing a family that was concerned about a nuclear holocost. They studdied the prospect for years, developed an elaborate criteria amongst which some are listed below:
1). Move to a location that had no strategic or ecconomic value to anyone 2). Owned by a large powerful country so no one would attack it. 3). Far enough away so wind currents would not blow radioactive matterial to the location 4). Little or no military fortifications
After studying the prospects for more than 3 years, they sold everything, packed up, and moved to the Falkland Islands one month before Argentina attacked it.
There is no safe place to hide for this virus. The best place may be amongst you, your family, friends, and close neighbors. Get to know your neighbors…
Alaska was very hard hit with the Spanish Flu in 1918. Entire “remote” villages were entirely wiped out.
I agree with Little Kahuna…there is no safe place to hide from a virus.
Um-I was joking about moving to Iceland (Though I DO think its a really neat place and I would very much like to visit sometime)
No, we will stay put. We feel relatively safe where we are(relative being the key word here)
moeb - at 09:59, that would be interesting to know, whether and how they are
planning to isolate there
Crazy..-at 11:11, Spain is also low on that maplecroft list,
but I assume that’s for the cities.
Little Kahuna - at 11:13 , some locations are safer than others.
Your story is not representative, these are exceptions.
There are hundredth of stories where moving helped in 1918.
And when none of your friends or neighbors is prepping, should you move ?
Where to find better friends and neighbors ?
anonymous at 11:27-Little Kahuna has a right to his/her opinion and actually, the point that LIttle Kahuna was trying to make was that researching the right move may be faulty as you cannot know all of the issues that might be involved. THE best place is amongst people who can be of support. Who love and care for you. There will be no safe place to hide in a pandemic.
Fear and distress know no boundaries. I truly feel that the hardest aspect of a pandemic (other than dying) is going to be the absolute, utter fear and distress that many, many people are going to experience. Look at the bird flu victims who have escaped the hospitals in Indonesia. I think fear was the issue? If a pandemic looms, your safety net is going to be your neighbors and family. Stay put (unless you are in or near a megacity . . .now that I am clear on the definition of a megacity-thank you BirdGuano).
We’re not moving to Spain because of Bird Flu but because we can still afford the prices there, we all speak Spanish and we like the food and the people. Will I feel better isolated in rural Spain as opposed to a suburb of London YES!!!!!! But I’m not letting fear dictate my move, more like my stomach…rioja wine, chorizos, turrones etc :)
The fact is that no where is safe, only as safe as you can make it. I will not let BF run my life no more than I will let Terrorism dictate my life. I prep, because its the SMART thing to do. But I refuse to live in fear.
if it didn’t sound like a commune I’d suggest we all move to fluwikitopia and start a tribe
yeah, and then let’s just outprep the rest of mankind and take control (earlier or later)
As a former Army brat, I’ve moved many, many times. There is a delicious period when you know a move is imminent and you fantacize how great it is going to be — at that point, you are listing in your brain all the things you can’t wait to leave (SO LONG SUCKERS!) and you don’t know the hardships/irritations of the new location.
Of course, the new spot has its own challenges — which you have to face with your small family group until new friends/associates/resource people can be identified.
I’d be wary of ANY destination as the BF solution. Well, maybe an invitation to live in Costco central — could emerge 12 months later, pale and weighing 1000 lb. : )
I wouldn’t think that moving to a new country when TSHTF would help. You would be an outsider, you would not have a garden ready, you would not know where to store things, you would not know who to trust, you would have little or no “support system”, you would be low on the list of friends that others would help, ….you would have to travel at the worst possible time….
In times of the plaque, “outsiders” that may be carrying the plague were not welcomed. Most of this was discussed in terms of “leaving the city” on other threads. The bottom line is you (YOYO) need to have a place planned and prepared before time.
Im going to another state. My daughter and son in law want me to come to their house. They have an infant and they are concerned about the availability of healthcare. So Grandma/nurse will be SIP at her house, we havent decided if DH is going to stay home or not. My son daughter in law and their 4 kids will be coming to our house, so it will be crowded. He will probably go with me to our daughters house. BTW she is prepped to the hilt too.
Stay put, foreignors are viewed with distrust, maybe unjustifiably, but human nature.
I remember reading where a woman in a village that had chickens die (maybe some other calamity) was viewed as a witch since she was the only one not from that village.
People do crazy things when they are afraid and can’t make sense out of what is happening around them.
IMHO there is plenty of time to get to your ideal location, if you start your planning and actions now. If BF is going to get into humans and be pandemic it’s only happening slowly.
yes. And I’m wondering why so few people here are considering relocation, when their pandemic fear is indeed as big as expressed in the posts.
Compared with storing food, I’d consider relocation a more important question.But uncomfortable. And it’s dealt with fewer in the threads. Could it be that storing food is some sort of “religion” here which people like and which they are good in and can impress others with, not only motivated by pandemic fear ?
Relocate where? “Pandemic” means it is going to be everywhere.
Relocate? And how do you get there? Nup, I like my own little home sweet home ;-)
but not everywhere with equal strength.
See monotreme’s prediction what will happen with the “megacities”.
Suppose this proves true and the knowledge of this becomes public,
what movements can we expect ? Are people preparing for such movements ?
Do officials support the movements with equipment and buses and camps ?
In Europe, where different countries are closer to each other
you can easily change from one legislation to another one.
This could be important, since the pandemic plans , quarantine plans ,
Tamiflu stockpiles etc. may be quite different in near regions.
A lot of people on this wiki live in cities and or have undesirable neighbours. They already know they would be better moving but, like most, find the thought untenable because of family circumstance, work etc. Getting to the right place should be a permanent move based on preempting the future, not something to do amidst a panic, however caused. We prep because we don’t want to shop during a panic, we plan defence because thieves are a risk. Next step is planning and being ready for what life will be like after a shtf event. For some of us a move to better location is what we want to do anyway, so it all fits :-)
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In 5 to 10 years we may have a limited oil supply and the things we are learning now may need to be applied, regardless of whether PF gets going. I’ll be well established in a suitable country, although life is going to be a lot harder.
so, oil would be getting even more expensive. So, what ? It already went from $10 to $70 and my life hasn’t changed a lot. When it goes over $200 or such, alternative energies will be efficient.
why don’t flubies gather together and form communities with equal-minded ? no panflu-ignorants, everyone’s a prepper, plans for isolation and quarantine, protective wear for essential workers etc.
I choose to stay where I am already well adapted to the area. I know where to find what I need, I have a history with groups of people, I know which roads wash out in high water. I also have a pretty clear ‘baseline’ feel for the place so I do notice when things are not as they should be. I think most people go/stay where they know and accept the risks of that place- as opposed to moving where their ignorance could get them in trouble.
I hope, your little world won’t change when panflu hits to create an entirely new situation where your local experiences could be worthless.
I like where I am, I know the hiding places, the general terrain, and what grows in my backyard. My plan is to direct any mauraders up to the McMansions on the hills.
I also get all cranky and neurotic and overstrung for about 3 months after a move, and I can’t deal with a pandemic and moving and whatever else happens all at the same time.
However, I do entertain the possibility of moving AFTER it settles down a bit — there may be wide swathes of countryside available for subsistance farming. In fact, there might be entire countries available for resettlement.
Squatting might be possible; then again, maybe the title companies and real estate people will survive in sufficient numbers.
It’s always fascinated me how entire cities of thousands of people and huge stone buildings could just dissolve away into a jungle, forgotton even by people living a valley or two over, only to be discovered after 1985 by satellite pictures and GPS. I think I am beginning to see just how that may have happened. A high CFR virus, and it’s under the green canopy for entire civilizations —
Little world? Nope. Change? Yes, it will and that’s the whole point of being where I am. Whichever way it changes, we’ll deal with it. I am in a very adaptable place where we are quite capable of feeding and defending ourselves. A virus is going to go everywhere. If you think you are going to hide from it by moving to a different area, go ahead and good luck to you- you should be where you feel safest.
I’m speculating, that a little island might be fine…
any country/island you could get to when TSHTF would not be safe from the flu. After all if you could get there so could others- that is all it would take to spread BF.
It is like WC Fields said, I would not want to be a memeber of any club that would accept me as a memeber.
the trick is, that you go there _before_ all the others want to come
Many pacific islands were also very hard hit http://tinyurl.com/nmy9h
With a little luck the pandemic will start in Baghdad.
anonymous, I don’t think the scale of production of any alternative technology is going to prevent massive change to lifestyles. I’ve done a bit of reading about ethanol, bio diesel, hydrogen gas and fuel cells, nuclear, electric power, lpg and cng. They all work but when you consider how we depend on oil tankers, tractors, trucks and every other internal combustion engine we get beaten by volume IMHO. Even if we started now, we’d be too late for a seamless changeover. If BF intervenes all bets are off. I’m going to move to another State next year, which is a bit like moving to another country. The advantage is a much better chance at long term sustainable lifestyle whilst still being close to and part of the modern world for now.
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