I was talking to a close relative about the need to prep when she said I heard this was all a big hoax! I read it in a book by a DR Joseph Mercola- book is titled “ The Great Bird Flu Hoax- The truth they don’t want you to know about the next big Pandemic” websire www.mercola.com Anyone read this book?
Nothing at that link…….look it up on Amazon & read the reviews on it.
The search site on this web site took me to google even though I had highlighted Dr. Mercola. I put in pandemic bird flu .
We had a thread early last month about Dr. Mercola. The person who started it wasn’t too impressed — the thread is called Look At This Garbage. It’s still open.
Found a site at www.greatbirdfluhoax.com
Many governments wish it was a hoax! They sure keep saying they have stopped it…until it pops up again.
I found a similar book, called Bird Flu Hype www.birdfluhype.com
some of you have already checked this out at my request. I will state again, that I have no strong opinion on this one way or the other. This person felt the need to write a book, (don’t they all), and have their say.
I guess the cat is out of the bag. Yes, this is a hoax. I have enjoyed creating the ‘News’ sites in Indonesia and watching to see how long it takes for you guys to find them. I never dreamt that the translations would convert back to be so funny sometimes!
It was just a big production/experiment that we here (NSA) decide to run to test some theories and software. You have all been more than helpful. Thanks. You can now return to your regular programming.
JWB- geeze..
Well there you have it folks. We can all pack up our preps and return to our normal living life.
I almost forgot. You all will be receiving form BF-X17-PRF, (Bird Flu Experiment rev 17, Participant Reimbursement Form) in the mail. Please attach all related reciepts. Note - stamp not provided on return envelope. Please allow 4 to 6 weeks for processing.
Thanks again.
My DH has suggested that we buy that book. It will give us something to read while we SIP:)
WIT and Mr. WIT
We’re all fluwikis turned comdeians! And we should quite our day jobs.
I was approached by the publisher of Mercola’s book with a co-promotion offer. I declined. This is what I wrote to them as to my reasoning:
make, such as a confusing of the terms infectiousness, virulence, and pathogenicity.
describes “speculation that there may have been three possible instances of transmission from poultry workers to family members,” whereas the official government inquiry reportedly found 33 cases of such transmission [Enserink M. 2004. Bird flu infected 1,000, Dutch researchers say. Science 306:590--see attached PDF]. Another quick example—Relenza is not given by injection (p. 106), but is rather an inhaled powder. I am hoping that this draft was in the prefact-checking stage and that these errors have already been caught).
Health Organization is quoted, but that seems to have been gleaned from some secondarily cited source. The original (also attached) shows that those are the reporters words, not a direct quote. Hopefully these errors can all be cleared up before the final printing.
minor theses (put bluntly on page 79) that H5N1 “will never be a pandemic.” Virtually everyone in the field (and we’re not just talking those beholden to industry—I’m talking the World Health Organization, the United Nations, the Office International des Epizooties, etc) believes that we simply don’t understand the biology well enough to make such a statement. We simply don’t know if H5N1 has the capacity to mutate into a form capable of efficient, sustained, human to human transmission and thereby spark a pandemic.
assertion that countered all of the science I had read that I couldn’t wait to get to the chapter where this was explained. Such a strong statement requires strong evidence, yet I was shocked to find that no such chapter existed. In fact, the best I was able to find (please correct me if I’m wrong) was like 2 pages—17 and 18--arguing that somehow improvements in the safety of the U.S. water supply somehow decreases the risk of a flu pandemic, which makes no sense to me. The flu isn’t like cholera, it’s not a water sanitation disease, it is a respiratory droplet disease.
described as the “most deadly disease event in the history of humanity” [Secretariat of WHO Executive Board. 2004. Avian influenza and human health. World Health Organization Executive Board report 114(6):1–5]) by blaming the trench warfare conditions for the reason so many fell ill. But and estimated 50 million people died. 50 million people were not in trenches. People died all over the world in the farthest reaches where no one even heard of world war one—in fact some of the Inuit villages were nearly wiped out.
pandemic” is arguing that since swine flu never materialized, an H5N1 pandemic won’t either. Besides being logically fallacious, there is an important difference between 1976 and now. The critical difference is the current global scientific consensus that H5N1 may represent a genuine pandemic threat. Back in 1976, authorities throughout the world-including the World Health Organization-disagreed with the United States that the death of a single soldier from a swine influenza virus warranted universal vaccination. They thought America was overreacting. But now the world’s authorities are in agreement. As summarized by Lee Jong-wook, the late Director-General of the World Health Organization, H5N1 is a “grave danger for all people in all countries.” I am not saying H5N1 is going to become a human pandemic. Neither are the experts in the field. They are saying that we simply don’t know—and unless there is overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise (or really any evidence), I’m afraid the book is founded on a faulty premise. And by denying the potential threat, we are undermining pandemic preparedness efforts, such as improving the public health infrastructure.
If anyone is interested I can send you the PDF of the review copy they gave me. In response, Mercola’s co-author Pam Killeen wrote me the following response:
I understand your position in the matter and appreciate the time you spent reviewing the book.”
I also reviewed Dr. Tenpenny’s bird flu “hype” book at her request. If I can find it I’ll post it as well.
Please don’t hesitate to contact me if anyone has any questions Michael Greger, M.D. mhg1@cornell.edu (240) 328–4615
Thank you for your review. From your review of the book, it appears that there are so many subtle errors — whether intentional or not — that the book as a whole fails to substantiate the author’s thesis.
Doesn’t sound like it would have ever made it past a doctoral thesis committee.
Maybe they could put a disclaimer at the beginning of the book..
Everything contained in this material is the sole opinion of the author. If a pandemic does occur and loss of life is great, the author and publisher shall not be held accountable or responsible for any repercussions, lawsuits, etc., from the reader of this material, should they or their family become sick or die from a future pandemic, when if fact, they disregarded multiple warnings from other writings and organizations.
Or something like that. >;)
JT, now I hope you can get your relative to read and reflect on Dr.Greger’s thoughtful reply! (and, Snowhound1′s disclaimer!)
Good luck!
michaelgreger.
We have a few physicians on flu wiki but could always use another voice and independent opinion.
In addition, there is a world-famous veterinary school at Cornell and we are short of veterinarians to comment as well.
You and your veterinary friends would be more than welcome.
LOL it reminds me of what the health dept told me about it not happening because we now have the technology to tell people to wash their hands. Yeah sure, its really that simple. Personally I think the people that told me that are simple, but that’s just me.
You and me, AM-Nmy… and quite a few others here probably agree…
Wildest “simple” response I got was from a citizen who, because they were “a patriot,” they believed “The President wouldn’t let something like a pandemic happen here!!”
What has happened to basic common sense and enough science/reality background to - uh-oh; now I hear “Gods of the Copybook Headlines” again…
michaelgreger-
thank you for taking the time to post — I appreciate your willingness to back your statement up with your name, degree and contact information. It means a great deal, though of course I also appreciate the anonymity this forum provides.
Meanwhile, back to hoaxes — I’ve lately been thinking that this whole “bird flu” scare was just dreamed up by the “Peak Oil” people…. they want to get us all living in local sustainable communities; converting to solar energy; eating local produce — it would be just like them to try to pull this one on us.
Hey, in case I wasn’t clear above — (-: just joking.
Many people feel that way about their leaders, which I can’t begin to understand. Even the President himself and his cabinet and his supporters has repeatedly stated he can’t stop natural disasters, nor do anything about the effects (“You are on your own”). A pandemic is way worse.
The general population LOVES a good conspiracy, whether it’s true or not. There just has to be some evil plot that is underlying with everything that happens.
Bush is creating oil war…. Big Pharma is “creating” diseases…. Aliens are reading our minds….
It’s really too bad that the average person’s IQ is only 100 (like it could be otherwise). Perhaps then they would approach media/publishings/reports with a grain of common sense.
“It’s really too bad that the average person’s IQ is only 100 (like it could be otherwise). Perhaps then they would approach media/publishings/reports with a grain of common sense”
I think that you`re way overestimating. ;-)
Aliens are reading our minds! Really? And I’m out of tin foil! D**n, gotta go to Walmarts.
Maybe we are just a flock of birds, all having a bad dream.
you all got is soo wrong. its not the peakoil folks behind, but that was close Average Coneserned Mum.. Its the Norwegian Canning Indusrtry. ( NCI ) After years of lowered saled of canned fish, the evil empire of canners made this plan to scare the poo out of people, making them buy a lot of canned small fish with toamato sause.. The plan was working very well untill the Unorganized Vegetarian Mililtia (UVM) couped the hole thing, claiming that beans and rice is a complete protein.
There is also some websites claiming that the owner of a realy big nasal spray factory is behind, trying to get even more of the population addicted to that phhht! nasal spray..
To anyone wanting to say the 1918 pandemic didn’t happen and the possibility of H5N1 going pandemic is just a hoax all I can say is my mother in law, who was 2 when her mother died from the Spanish Flu in 1918, would tell you different and call you an idiot. I would probably say that you also think the holocost didn’t happen either.
People are entitled to their opinions even when they are wrong. Hopefully more people will listen to our president who is telling us to prepare for a pandemic. I think he probably has greater resources to the truth of the matter and I doubt he would be suggesting we prepare if he didn’t think the threat were real.
Ha-ha, Annon-Norway – at 19:28; all my new canned fishes are product of Denmark!
Your country’s brainwashing efforts have failed! (Hvad sagde De?)
I started a new thread on Dr. Tenpenny’s bird flu “hype” book if people are interested in reading about another pandemic threat denier’s work.