Leo7 – at 02:00
dd:
Key govt figures are listed before paramedics and policeman on the current level of who gets vaccine. These essential people aren’t stupid and the grapevine will be way ahead of any 2% BS. But you are right-they will be lured-I mean lulled by placebo vaccines and antivirals to man their stations unless the money starts to rain down and as some have stated “get on a flu war footing.” Otherwise—all stations will be playing the don’t worry be happy song.
anonymous – at 02:05
when the Chinese and others are starting to produce vaccine, do you think they will keep it for their citizens ? When they get enough money for it, they will sell it.
Tom DVM – at 08:52
“But you are right-they will be lured-I mean lulled by placebo vaccines and antivirals to man their stations unless the money starts to rain down and as some have stated “get on a flu war footing.”
Leo, ;lacebo’s by result by design or intention…or unintentionally wby delivering pharmaceuticals that you think work but don’t.
Please continue the fight here…it is an honourable one and you are exactly correct in this…won’t matter to my family because WE WON’T BE TAKING EITHER OF THEIR ‘MAGIC PILLS’.
I am also very afraid of a human vaccine out of China which will make things worse rather than making them better or leaving them the same…thanks.
Tom DVM – at 08:53
Sorry, It should have read…Leo, placebo’s may result by design and intention…or unintentionally by delivering pharmaceuticals that are supposed to work but don’t.
From the previous thread:
dd – at 09:38
Tom, ineffective or outright harmful pharmaceuticals are a big concern. Unless I hear from someone I would trust (certainly no one in government, or affiliated with the pharmaceutical companies), I won’t be taking any magic pills either. I guess I’d consider it, only if someone like you (who’s skeptical like me, but scientifically more knowlegable) endorsed them!
Monotreme - I confess I am behind on reading this thread, but I wanted to ask you a question. Last night I watched Charlie Rose interview the Head of the N.Y. Health Dept. and I can’t remeber his name, but the upshot of what he said is that he did not believe that we were going to be hit by a pandemic…but of course everyone should prepare. Could he be one of the resaons that NYC is not being told anything?
Monotreme - I confess I am behind on reading this thread, but I wanted to ask you a question. Last night I watched Charlie Rose interview the Head of the N.Y. Health Dept. and I can’t remeber his name, but the upshot of what he said is that he did not believe that we were going to be hit by a pandemic…but of course everyone should prepare. Could he be one of the resaons that NYC is not being told anything?
Sorry, the above post was from me.
OK, I just read your answer to this on another thread. Bird-dog’s assessment was right on, the guy could could not look Charlie in the eyes and was one slimy dude!
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anonymous – at 09:41
Hopefully you saw the NYC thread wherein I address your question.
Monotreme - 9:41 Yes thank you, I finally got to that thread and read your assessment of the Charlie Rose interview. I agree and thought that Charlie actually gave him a look that said “I don’t believe your saying that”. I watch him all the time, and after awhile you get to know what someone may be thinking by their facial expressions and he looked at that unsavory character like he couldn’t believe that he saying the pandemic was “unlikely”. I bet the ******* has a get-a- way home way up in upstate N.Y. on the Candian border.
It might be useful to have some deaf people doing face reading on this; maybe selecting two sections, one where he’s definitely saying something that’s true, and another one where it’s not so obvious.
I don’t know the person involved, just being a bit naughty here! :)
The above coment on face reading was about the tv interview. Mislocated it - sorry.
lugon, I think anyone who watched the Charlie Rose show could tell that Mr. Rose was taken aback by Dr. Frieden’s outrageous claim. It was that obvious. Equally obvious was how uncomfortable Dr. Frieden was with that line of questioning.
Ok, then. Such a video might then find its way to youtube.com - no?
lugon – at 15:28
I would love to see the 5 minute discussion appear on youtube.com, but I don’t know if it would be legal. Charlie Rose sells DVDs of his programs. You can only watch them via internet for 2 days, then they are gone.
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you could run it through a voice-recognition program and then
publish the text without video. Charlie Rose probably has no
copyright on the plain text.
Text is also better for quoting to forums like fluwiki.
The Charlie Rose show sells transcripts. I don’t know if it would be legal to buy one and then post the section relating to panflu for discussion.
btw, the show can be purchased for 99 cents here.
The relevant part is only about 5 minutes long.
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Monotreme – at 18:52
Personally, I have a bad feeling about how TPTB are handling this. I think they are hoping the problem goes away. If it doesn’t, they have decided to write off large chunks of the American poplulace. Expect to hear “Sacrifices had to be made. Too bad about the East Coast. Too bad about Los Angeles. Too bad about Detroit.” etc,
If there is too many convincing warnings before the disaster, that will make them look worse in the post-pandemic period.
As a number of people have suggested, the WHO and CDC are being set up as the fall guys for the blame game. “They didn’t say it would be that bad. They told us 2% would be the worst it could be.”, etc. I can hear it now. Note, this does not let the WHO or the CDC off the hook. Sometimes the sacrificial goat really is stupid.
Leo7 – at 00:09
I keep asking who will be the government officials also known as TPTB who are the first in line for vaccines and antivirals. No official numbers but it’s staggerring when you project from the feds, military, then state and local and regional officials.
Folks, I’m starting to get a really bad feeling. Unless the vaccine Anon 22 mentions is power jumped into circulation in the next couple of weeks there won’t be anything left for the millions of essential workers also known as emergency worker patsy’s, I mean citizens. I can’t help thinking we will be persuaded to man our stations by placebo vaccines and antivirals. Now before you folks want to fight with me, please recheck the name of this thread.…(snip)…
And I won’t be persuaded when a vaccine miraculously appears either unless I’ve seen a ramp up and actually building of facilities. It’s been established flu vaccines have been faked as well.
So, the alternative is becoming more clear. It takes time to make the vaccines and antivirals for everyone and I see no signs this is a committed decision by TPTB. If this bug does jump out in late 06 or early 07, there won’t be enough of these meds to filter down to even essential workers. We are on our own, entirely. Gather antibiotics, oral hydration and SIP as long as possible.
Tom DVM – at 08:56 (snip)
…I know if we get a pandemic that the ones at the top end whether it is .5% or 5% or 10% we are going to lose no matter what we do.
I want the pharmaceuticals stockpiled so that I do not observe young parents at home with mortallity ill children and no healthcare and no medical advice and no antibiotics…
…the only thing that will bump up production of a variety of drugs is a ‘war footing’…
…so how about it Dick Thompson…would it kill you to make a comment on behalf of those young parents with children who are going to be helpless?
“To do nothing to battle the next pandemic is unacceptable, but to promise protection against an outbreak is irresponsible,”
~Dr.Osterholm