I don’t know if I missed this, or it wasn’t discussed. I found it on the pandemicflu.gov website. Publication date 9/19/06
I don’t recall it being discussed; maybe I missed it.
Oremus – at 13:52
Yea Boy! If you want to read something really, really scarry, take a gander at Scenario Three on page 33. That ought to make you sit up straight in your chair.
I got as far as page 39 and tried to save it, but my puter froze up. going to try again, but I agree with Mamabird. I can’t believe this document came from the government. It is very stark. Especially if you read it from the perspective that the Government is going to sugar coat or low ball every number or outcome. SCARY in the extreme. I feel like the guy in independence day when the aliens showed up….. “I been tellin ya! Ain’t I been tellin ya?” This isn’t some wacked out extremist saying bad times are comming, these are the folks the “Sheeple” look to for help when TSHTF.
Page 13 - planning assumptions should make you gasp - incubation period of 2 days, pregnant and elderly most at risk, up to 40% absenteeism - I have to conclude that these figures assume ‘normal’ flu!
Then Figure B on page 17 - see how the phases align with WHO - actually they don’t!
Scenario 3 doesn’t even begin to address the possible ‘real’ effect of a pandemic - that should be scenario 2 - 3 should include deaths of essential personnel, collapsing / collapsed infrastructure etc …
But hey, if this document gets some people to sit up and take a second look at what they should be doing then it is a valuable document.
Section Five has excellent checklist points that all businesses should be considering for any emergency situation - a great part of the document this section.
Seen it; not sure where it is on the Wiki proper.
Only passing mention as to how hard it is going to be to find replacements for dead workers, and, people will be traumatized by losses… nooooo mention of allll those dead bodies needing to be interred somehow. Didn’t see any-thing about that sort of networking in the links, either. (At least they could wonder what they will do if workers “exhale their last” or however the machine translates the Indonesian phrase, right onsite. The what happens to people’s bodies after they die? plans local govts have sound planned to fail. And if proper death certificates don’t get made, want to bet just enough govt survives to insist people have to have them or you’re so out of luck?)
Usual cya stuff about “honest, timely, communication” being vital for recovery, informing employees so they’re prepared, ect, ect.
Maybe I better print that whole thing out too… though there’s only a few pages people really need to see. (There are none so blind as those who will not see?)
just read through the whole thing- what raises my alert level is the fact that they “have” even released such a document, sepecially with the phase 3 scenarios.
JJF’s plan for keeping CI up:
1. Stock CI facilities with enough supplies to quarantine workers and their families for 18 months.
2. Ask for workers willing to volunteer for this task.
Very simple.
I may have missed it, but the b’cratic doc that oremus started this thread about does not elude to this plan. In fact I used the binoculars on the doc and the word quarantine was used 8 times in the entire 84 page document, and not once in the context to which I refer. If anyone see’s this please post page because I’m not going to waste my time reading 84 pagfes of government jibberish, although from what I did see it is the most realistic government guide to date.
Could someone please help me understand why my plan wouldn’t work?
Jumping Jack Flash – at 19:34
I believe we may be talking protective sequestration, not quarantine, and many CI firms are not only considering it, but have made good progress toward actual preparations, especially the power plants and transmission control rooms. PJM is a shinning example in the NE.
Sad to say, however, no matter how hard the WHO, DHS and CI firms try, there are just some really smart people that post here that will likely not be satisfied with anything published for public consideration. Thankfully, the CI folks are not discouraged by those views, but continue to try make progress, as tiny and uneducated an effort as that may seem.
PJM has one of the best plans I’ve seen, but is is woefully inadequate. The last I saw PJM’s flu plan, it did refer to sequesterization. Something like 1 week shifts with blue and gold teams. (They took their plan off their site).
But it did not go to the extent I’m talking about. I’m talking about when this takes off even overeas, critical workers are paged, they drop what they are doing, grab their bug out bags and families and report to work. Indefinetly. After that NO one comes inside the fence. If workers want to leave, they can. I seriously doubt any worker would leave the safety of a quarantined facility stocked with supplies for him and his family.
I’m not aware of any plants or control centers that have been stocked with supplies. Not saying has not happened, just not aware of it.
JJF-
Can you envision the size of all the needed supplies for 18 months for 1000 people? Do you have any idea how much space that would take?
who would haul out the trash?
anonymous – at 21:16
yes, it would make quite a stack. It would be a considerably small heap than the pile of dead bodies resulting from loss of CI, though.
Retired Paramedic MI – at 21:20
the trash would be sorted and piled up on site into either metal, plastic, glass, compost or paper product heaps.
Quarrantine in facility… I can just see your angry neighbors throwing sick chickens over the fence because you won’t share food with them…
I note the plan assumes a 30% clinical attack rate, but doesn’t state a CFR.
No food? Where did they get the chickens?
Mamabird – at 17:04
That’s actually what I’ve been prepping for.
Does this document make people feel better cos the government appears more clued-up than you thought? Or does this document make people feel worse cos the government confirms your fears?
I’m 50/50 on that myself.
Created an Infrastructure page?.
A lot of people can stockpile and shelter in place, but the sanitation and trash will be issues we can’t avoid. Hmmm. Where is that index?
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Costs money; sure wish local water suppliers who might not want to register for the webcast would use the free resources on the Flu Wiki…could learn all that stuff right now.
We should pass the webcast info along anyway, (and if we’re still lucky, we won’t have pandemic before Dec)…
To see the sorts of things that happen frequently but are rarely on the evening news, see the DHS Daily Open Source Infrastructure Repo. These are open source news items, which means they’ve been released for publication.
Don’t expect this page to be (fully) operational during a pandemic.
closed for speed -restart thread if needed