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Forum: Invitation to St Augustine

21 November 2006

kparcell – at 18:14

You’re all welcome to come to my town if you want to join a community during a pandemic: Saint Augustine, Florida. Saint Aug is the oldest city in the richest nation on the planet, and this is partly because we have the best climate and most abundant resources in North America year round. We pick fruit and nuts off the trees and catch fish, dig oysters, etc, etc, and we have abundant clean water.

As I’m sure you all know, there won’t be enough food here for everybody, but I’m sure you’ll all bring your supplies with you, and that you’ll give them to our community to distribute to the children and pregnant women first. That is what I love and respect about all of you at the flu forums, that you just can not stop planning about how you will help others during crises. Of course, everyone who’s been in a crisis knows that this is what most people do (help each other) and that it is only the worst scum of the Earth who show concern only for their own selves (survivalists). For my part, I look forward to helping all who join me here learn how to fast. It’s not hard, really, especially when you have others to help during the first scary hours while you get over your natural (but ungrounded) fear of having little food for the first several months before our crops come in.

Saint Augustine is in St Johns County, just south of Jacksonville, Florida, on the Atlantic coast. Jacksonville is a crowded city, but predominantly good Christians, like most of you, so you can be sure that you will be greeted warmly and generously here, regardless of your faith or lack thereof. I’ve been developing community preparedness plans for a while now, such as installing a very healthy local marketplace that will grow food and operate human-powered water systems during the years of recovery from the global depression that will likely follow a major pandemic event.

If you intend to try to make it on your own, please don’t come around here because we won’t be able to help you. We already have plenty of violent people in Florida who will quickly find, rob and kill you during a crisis, and although I and many many others will help you participate in our community, there just won’t be any way for us to help you if you point your guns at us. On the other hand, when “survivalists” show up at “our door”, they will be greeted by many thousands of people who will offer to help them, providing medical attention and vital nutrition as we are able. Florida is the best State in the US at dealing with disaster and mass evacuation, so I am sure we are your best chance, and I anticipate many millions of people will join us, with St Aug at the hub.

By the way, don’t forget your mosquito repellant, seriously :)

anonymous – at 18:19
 ROTFLMAO.

 Wish there were smilies.
flabberghasted – at 18:27

I just really don’t know what to think ‘bout that…

flabberghasted – at 18:46

Ooh, ooh! May I surrender all of my preps to your community first? I wonder how many other flu sites have been pasted with this or slightly varied “generic” letter of invitation. Notice the lack of specific reference to any one or the fluwikie itself?

kparcell – at 19:44

Dear Miss flab,

thank you for the heads up!

22 November 2006

flabberghasted – at 19:22

It is rather arrogant of you to assume that flabberghasted is a woman, isn’t it Kev? Assumptions are bad policy and rarely does a person who make them come out on top, loosely speaking of course.

As I’m sure you all know, there won’t be enough food here for everybody, but I’m sure you’ll all bring your supplies with you, and that you’ll give them to our community to distribute to the children and pregnant women first.

I just can’t even get my head around that statement. I’ve been doing my own prepping since late July and have a comfortable six months of food water and ammunition. When I read that, I have an image of a street thug informing me that he will gladly relieve me of my Rolex and wallet and will expect me to thank him when he’s done, and if I would kindly walk him to the cash machine to get him more.

I understand your attempt to garner global interest in a utopian society model with your own personal interest in establishing a local form of currency and all, but as interpreted, it reeks of smarmy, opportunistic, snake oil salesman b.s. Tell me Kev, how soon after handing over my preps and other worldly goods (my camp espresso maker, my Red Feather canned butter, Kraft canned cheese spread, etc) will I be given to settle my family and I before I’m sallied off to the human-powered water system? Excuse me sir, I don’t like Soylent Green…

It is creepy that you posted both on Flutracker and Fluwikie the same spewage looking for folks to bolster the community’s stockpile of food. Less effective as a recruiting tool are statements such as: only the worst scum of the Earth who show concern only for their own selves (survivalists) really doesn’t do your pet project (St. Aug is it?)a service. In effect, you are perpetuating an US vs. THEM mentality while promoting community togetherness???

Furthermore, I AM concerned for my family first AND myself. How and what I do to survive I’ve learned my way and what works for me (all legal of course). I am the only one responsible for me and I am the only one who will ensure that food is on my table by my hand. Period. If that belief defines what a survivalist is, then I believe nearly everyone on this board has just pre-cluded themselves from your invitiation to Utopia.

I’ll keep my supplies thank you very much and keep an eye out for the likes of who feign with the right while the left liberates the powdered eggs.

FYI ‘’ smarmy

adj : unpleasantly and excessively suave or ingratiating in manner or speech; “buttery praise”; “gave him a fulsome introduction”; “an oily sycophantic press agent”; “oleaginous hypocrisy”; “smarmy self-importance”; “the unctuous Uriah Heep” ‘’

And that’s MR. Flabberghasted

Cloud9 – at 20:47

The final triumph of socialism has arrived when the body politic sees self preservation as immoral.

26 November 2006

kparcell – at 03:30

User previously banned for trolling. Comment deleted. - pogge

bumper – at 09:27

bump

Cloud9 – at 11:34

Kparcell:I am reminded of the height of the cold war. Nuclear annihilation was a real threat. A single miscalculation in either the Kremlin or the White House would send us all into the cold dark night. Many urged community action. The collective mindset of the Politburo built massive bunkers to protect the families of its most important members. The White House built interstates designed to evacuate cities. Individual Americans were encouraged to build bomb shelters. Many did, most did not. The Russians wound up with some fantastic root cellars. The Americans wound up with a massive transportation system. Both reactions to a perceived threat expended millions of man hours and billions of dollars. Both reactions in hindsight were wrong.

A trillion dollars spent on hospital beds, tamiflu and masks may be just as wrong as building bunkers to hide in and highways to evacuate cites. I have yet to meet a politician who is more capable of making decisions that define the quality of my life than I am. The collective mindset creates massive institutions, public education and the criminal justice system to mention just two. Then, we, the collective, sit down in the mud and lament their perceived failures. A massive government reaction to a possible pandemic will fair no better.

It is condescending on your part to condemn us for taking what measures we perceive necessary to protect ourselves and our families from anticipated threats. However right or wrong our preparations are, the costs are born by us not by the public at large. As shattering as this idea might be, there are some threats that leave governments powerless. You cannot legislate away a microbe. As a Floridian, you should know that neither the Democrats nor the Republicans can change the course of a hurricane. As you well know, if you are in a storm’s path and live on the beach, prudence suggests that you might want to board up your windows and evacuate. How you react to protect yourself and your family is your individual choice and is really no business of the government. By the same token, if you choose wrongly, you may be in error to assume that the government will be able to come to your rescue.

kparcell – at 12:41

User previously banned for trolling. Comment deleted. - pogge

pogge – at 13:22

And while I’m at it, I may as well close the thread.

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