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26 October 2006

Bronco Bill – at 12:39

HUZZAH!! Get tha lahbstuhs in tha watuh! Maine gets their fourth thread!! Continued from here

bird-dog – at 13:22

Thanks Bronco Bill for the new thread!!!

And NauticalMan, I’m so sorry that you and your Mother have had a rough week… but glad she’s doing better. It’s really tough. I’ve been there and done that with my parents. I found that there were brilliant flashes of connection, very few but unforgetable none-the-less. Have you read ‘Final Gifts’ by Callanan & Kelley? It helped me so much and I guess it would be a good book for all in a future pandemic in “Understanding the special awareness, needs, and communications of the dying”. Hopefully your mom still has ‘miles to go’ but this could be helpful in the future.

Those wood racks at Beans are great. I have wood stacked in my house all along a wall- Fiona LOVES it! …and so do the mice although the cats have been really on their toes - big time! I should buy a wood-rack. Let me know how you like it. Thanks

NauticalManat 14:42

Thanks bird-dog

My mom still is pretty much there even with the Alzheimers as she is still in the mid stages, unlike my mil who is in the same unit, is almost 98, but even she has good moments. Thanks for the recommendation on the book, will look for a copy.

Already have one of those Bean wood racks, they are only meant to be on a covered porch, inside a garage like mine but not outside in the weather. Had the first for 4 years or more, has held up well. Do not know what it will cost for a face cord of wood, but in this case price does not mean much as it is there for emergency use only, although got a tank of fuel oil today at about $2.35 per gallon! That should hold me for 2 months depending on the temps this Winter. Ordered more Tamiflu the other day, seems like the recommended dose keeps increasing, waitin for the new Woodson book as I said, to see what new things like meds he recommends. If any of my Maine friends are looking for it let me know and we can work out contact. Be Well all. NM

30 October 2006

bird-dog – at 11:38

Hi Gang! I hope that no one was blown or swept away this weekend! My power was out briefly - 15 min.s or so, so I have fared well. I haven’t checked the crawl-space for water yet but feel confident as my stash is packed away in plastic totes. Others probably weren’t so lucky.

I did crash through the hatch above the crawl-space last week (in the dark) and am slowly recovering from that. Had been out in the car, rushed into the house to use the br and forgot that I’d left it opened for the cats. I’ll never do *that* again! <sigh> Thank goodness we’re not in the midst of a pandemic! I’m ok but very frustrated that I can’t work as easilly on my preps for awhile. If it ain’t one thing, it’s another - especially if you’re a dope like me. Kitties enjoyed it, I’m sure.

MAV, did you make the trip to Maine? How did it go?

Lisa and Al and NauticalMan & others, you’all and your kids must be gearing up for Halloween. I hope that the weather holds - maybe not so much wind though.

I haven’t heard from my sister in Nepal so there’s no news from there. I ordered more of The Doctors’ books to give away: gave one to my GP on Friday (had given him ‘the Great Influenza’ weeks/months? ago) and he just rolled his eyes and laughed. Even if he doesn’t read them hopefully he’ll leave them lying around for others…

And I did get a flu shot. Still sore though. Lisa and Al, were you able to have your kids pneumo-vaccinated yet?

I guess we’re all in a holding position although the E-B keeps on mutating. I will keep prepping none-the-less. Dr.Dave and others keep the energy moving. I appreciate that.

Enjoy the day! Hope you’re well!

01 November 2006

MAV in Colorado – at 16:05

Great time in Bangor (despite the weather). Thanks everyone for the thoughts. Gotta catch up here with you all a bit later. Work is calling.

bird-dog – at 19:35

Good, MAV.

04 November 2006

anonymous – at 20:02

Hi all! Quiet here, which is good because my computer is fried and when I have a minute to pry the 15 year old off of his I see that I’m not missing too much. Just hope I don’t miss anything remarkable. I’m working a lot and have almost no computer access during the week and this is unlikely to change for another month or so. Take care and be well.

Bird-dog - I hope you are recovered from your fall. That must have really been frightening.

Lisa in Southern Maine – at 20:53

Oops! Just realized my post was anonymous! That’s what I get for sneaking onto the kids computer! Lisa

bird-dog – at 23:00

Hi Lisa. Well, not quite recovered but on the mend. Thanks. I’m sorry to hear about your computer - more very disturbing mixed messages coming from China, Sri Lanka, and esp. Nepal. I’ve missed you here and have figured that all of you might have taken your correspondence to e-mail esp. regarding meds and vaccines.

I hope thay your preps are coming along, esp. the heating issue. You take care too and ‘have a great Thanksgiviving’ just in case you’re not ‘back’ by then! :-)

12 November 2006

Lisa in Southern Maine – at 11:06

Hi folks! Hope all are well. Quiet here. Birddog - are you recovered yet?

bird-dog – at 11:21

I just saw that channel 6 (local NBC) will be starting a series on the Spanish Flu/pan-flu tomorrow evening (Monday) at 6 pm. and will continue through the week. I haven’t much faith in the information that may be given as the Maine panflu/CDC site still says as of November 2005(!) that residents need only to stock suppies for a 3–5 day flu emergency etc…. They don’t even take it seriously enough to update their @#$%^&* info page!!! Maybe Dora Mills will be on with new info. Egad…I hope so! gggrrrrrr. snarl. raiowww. hiss. squaaakkk.

from MeCDC Pandemic Influenza Information

http://tinyurl.com/jzodm

“What will life be like during a pandemic of influenza?

No one can predict how a pandemic will affect us, but it will most likely last longer than other public health emergencies (months vs days); a number of health care workers and first responders available to work will be reduced because of illness or needing to care for family members; and basic resources could be limited.

Possible examples include: given the high level of global travel, a pandemic virus may spread very quickly, leaving little time to prepare; medical supplies may be in short supply and unevenly distributed; there may be no vaccine for several months; medical facilities may be quickly overwhelmed; illness and panic may result in sudden shortages of personnel to provide community services such as health care and public safety; some workplaces and schools may be closed; and large gatherings may be banned.

As a result of these conditions, people who have been exposed to the virus may be asked to stay home. Those who are ill may be asked to stay home and be cared for by family members.”

“What can all of us do to prepare for a possible pandemic of influenza?

1. Hygiene: Practice and assure others practice Basic Hygiene Strategies of: frequent hand-washing; covering coughs and sneezes with sleeves or tissue; and staying home when will. These strategies will help stop the spread of harmful germs.

2. Home Emergency Kit: Prepare a Home Emergency Kit that has at least 3–5 days of food, basic emergency supplies, plus rehydration fluids and fever-reducing medications. This kit will prepare a family for many types of emergencies, including possible home isolation and care for flu.”

ALSO-

“We ask that physicians do not provide prescriptions for antivirals for personal stockpiling, as these medications should be reserved for the treatment of patients during this upcoming influenza season. There is some national stockpiling of antiviral medications through the Strategic National Stockpile that Maine participates in.”

ANYWAY…Hi Everybody! I’ve missed our discussions and hope that you are all doing well and still prepping! My leg is pretty much back to normal; still a bit swollen and sore but MUCH better. My other med. situation is still unknown; I’ll finally talk to my doc at MGH Dec. 12th. I did see several very experienced docs up here but they had never treated anyone with that condition so I guess that it is a bit rare. I’m feeling totally ok about it now but was somewhat scared initially. And physically I feel fine!!! So, whatever…probably was a false positive?

I still haven’t ordered the super-pail grains as I’m waiting to see if MREdepot or another site will give us a deal. I wish that I could get *it* behind me. I’ve been making window insulators with emergency blankets and quilting material(can’t think of of word) and they’ll also work for blacking-out purposes. I hope I’ll NEVER need them!

I did hear(email) from my sister in Nepal(a generic letter to the family) and she said that all was well and that she was very happy there. That’s a relief. She would/could not give me any information on the dengue/chic/etc. situation on the ground there. I wish that she was interested/curious/concerned about panflu, etc.. I am so relieved that she’s happy and well though!!!

Have a great rain-y day, gang! (BTW, don’t you miss having the folks who suddenly left fluwiki recently, and earlier? I surely do. It’s beginning to sort itself out though and not feel so strange now that DemCT is back. Plus, there is now *** HOPE *** in the world since Tuesday!!! YAY… I could easilly cry with joy.)

Oh, and Fiona and Les Chats are as wonderful and healthy as ever.

bird-dog – at 11:23

Wow Lisa, I just saw your post! Great to see you!

NauticalManat 21:00

Hello to all my friends DownEast..

Glad to see that you are still out there and posting. Sad to see the dustup between anon_22 and Monotreme, both of whom I have a lot of respect for. Have you checked out Monotreme’s new website yet?

Vermont Country Store finally shipped my two hot water bottles, forgot I ordered tham last July. Too many preps.. Did get The Doctor’s latest book, excellent and I highly recommend it. Outstanding sections on home medical care and additional info on meds http://www.birdflumanual.com/ His website has further articles also, see http://www.birdflumanual.com/ Am reading Barry’s book again, amazing detail, he took seven years to write it, and you can see why given how many different threads he weaves together. Does anyone know if he reads fluwikie or posts here? Have ordered more Tamiflu from my usual overseas source, but someone else I gave the info to they did not get an answer to their email, you can not just order it easily. Maybe they are out or are reluctant to be noticed by TPTB, but maybe that will change with the change in our nations Capitol. Although I bought the Panasonic bread machine, have not tried it out yet. Still a lot of little things to get, sick room supplies being the main thing, but then that’s why I have the book on Procrastination, now if I could just find the time to read it….!

Lisa, did you get your computer fixed or replaced? Glad you are recovering from your recent mis-step birddog. MAV, will you be joining the Maine contingent? If not, maybe the good folk there will make you an honorary Maniac as they did for me! hello to Al, blue tide and all NM

13 November 2006

anonymous – at 14:51

Bump

bird-dog – at 16:07

Local NBC (Channel 6) Tonight at 6 pm - part one of a series on Pan-Flu (w/ Dora Mills) running each day this week.

{NauticalMan, good to hear from you! I’ll post here later when I have the time…b-d}

bird-dog – at 20:02

go to WCSH6 for the video and a description of the news segment tonight

http://tinyurl.com/uywhw

The segment at 6 was on the history of the Spanish Flu. Apparently Bath was esp. hard-hit due to the Iron Works/Shipyard, Lewiston suffered greatly too. I thought that it was very well done! They even interviewed a 100 yr. old woman in Bath who was an old friend of my parents ‘in the day’. My dad was from Bath and his father was the choir director at the Episcopal Church where they treated the sick as shown in the segment tonight. I wish that they were all alive to tell me about it + of course, I would have loved to know them!

Then tonight afterwards there was a short segment on ‘207′ at 7 and Dora Mills, after downplaying the threat imo, said that all should prepare for SIP for one, two, three, or even four weeks. She did come across as being very concerned.

I think that I misunderstood the dates for the series. I don’t think that this will run the week, just tonight. Not sure though…

There will be another segment on tonight at 11 describing how one hospital, Franklin Memorial, is preparing and how it has used the internet in doing so.

20 November 2006

Al – at 13:18

bird-dog, are you there? I need your help on something.

bird-dog – at 19:20

Hi Al, What’s up? I’ll help if I can…not feeling too positive/knowledgeable after taking a peek at the new forum. I guess that my brains are severely scrambled and I’ll be moving to another forum. Sigh. Totally lost. Of course I didn’t give it much of a chance. It’s *my* problem, not Dems. Never mind.

What’s up???

Al – at 20:37

Same here, I’ll have to spend time on it when I have some free time. Do you know if there’s a pharmacy in state that might, just might still have a course of relenza still in stock? Got child a scrip, finally, but now can’t find a pharmacy!

Al – at 20:57

Oh, b-d, I also wanted to tell you I realized how smart you were and smiled after I lugged the 200 pounds of jasmine rice I bought at Sam’s club today out to the car. My car groaned and screamed all the way home. It’ll probably take me until Friday to get them out of the car. After my Sam’s run, I now agree with you. NO more! I will order the beans to go with it SUPER PAILED, all ready to go, from one of the internet sites and let the ups person suffer. I have neither the strength, nor the time nor sense of humor to look forward to the task of pouring eight 25 pound bags of jasmine rice into god knows how many food grade buckets that I may or may not have enough of. What a pain in the bum it will be! Guess what we’ll be doing over thanksgiving weekend?

bird-dog – at 23:44

Al, yes---such a pain. My latest solution to the rice dilemna is to buy 10# each time I shop and then throwing it into a metal trash can in the unheated barn and hoping that the low temperatures will keep it viable until the time that I may need to use it. I do check the ex. dates and don’t buy it unless it states 2008. The trash-canned rice was initially to give to needy/desperate neighbors but I’ve begun finally(!) to give them the Woodson book. One down, four or five to go. Hopefully they’ll take it seriously. They have such wonderful families with sweet young children. I still do want to have S-Pails of rice, beans, and wheatberries for me, just in case though. That will have to wait…tres expensive! Over the year I’ve also amassed boxes and boxes of quick cooking brown rice and many pouches of the 90 second-type rice. They’ll do well in my cold attic in plastic totes.

As far as the prescription goes, I bought my Relenza at CVS but they only had one kit in stock at that time…a month or two ago. That’s so wonderful that you have the script! I only wish that you had one for you too.

Just keep calling around. How can they deny you!

Have a great Thankgiving! I’ll be driving up to Moody’s Diner with a friend as we have for the past 4–5 years. Ummmm, oyster stew and pies!!!

21 November 2006

NauticalManat 01:54

bird dog - Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving, same to all my Maine friends.. Haven’t been to Moody’s Diner in some years but remember some good meals and great blueberry pie. Know what you mean about the new forum. I must be dense, but have not had time to figure it out. Heck, can’t even log on now, need to talk to Dem! night all or is it good morning..

Al – at 08:13

I had a scrip for each of us but the 2 US wholesalers say (according to the pharmacies I called) that the product is unavailable now and no more will be coming. Pretty ominous. So I can’t fill it. I’ll call CVS today but I bet I’ll get the same story.

Lisa in Southern Maine – at 19:31

Al - I got our Relenza via Canada drugs.com. I’ve never had a problem with them, for any medicine. Just a little slow sometimes - they need script and often confirm script with the ordering clinician. What’s unavail in US is often avail in other countries.

Birddog, Al, NauticalMan and the rest of Maine crew - Nova on ME PBS tonight will investigate ?dinosaur? extinction and 1918 pandemic.

Al – at 20:34

All, there is a worldwide “back order” on relenza. Canadadrugs.com is out as is everybody else. I talked with the purchasing agents of several large pharmacies on Monday in my massive quest to fill the rx. One agent said her wholesaler said it had “something to do with something political”. The other purchasing person said her wholesaler told her there would be no more, and it “could be a year or so”. My timing obviously stinks, I finally get the scrip and it’s too late! Will hopefully have doc do new scrips for Tamiflu instead.

Thanks for the tip on Nova, will go watch the rest of it.

NJKME – at 21:26

Hi All,

Had to wade in on this one. I got scrips for Tamiflu for my 2 sons from pediatrician. Sent them into Medco online and received a call from them saying they are mailing back. They cannot get Tamiflu period. There’s some kind of moratorium on selling it nation-wide. I questioned the guy on it and he went away and then came back on the phone. I may be a little paranoid but he definitely sounded different before and after if you know what I mean.

The funny thing is I immediately called Hannaford’s and they think they can get it for me. We’ll see.

NauticalManat 23:41

Friends in Maine As you may have read on other threads, have had no luck at all with my doctor on any meds, even after giving him Dr. Woodson’s printout on why doctors should prescribe Tamiflu for their patients. Have obtained mine overseas. Suggest you look into http://qhi.co.uk/. They have physical address/phone number in London, ship from European countries, Tamiflu about $75 including shipping. Have bought three times from them, very reliable. Looking at other online sources for Tamiflu note prices range up to the sky, although goldpharma, who I have purchased antibiotics from, is selling it for about $65 plus shipping.

22 November 2006

Lisa in Southern Maine – at 09:37

Al - Yes, timing might have been bad here but no magic bullet with these antivirals either. Do you have erythromycin? Did you read the info re erythro on Monotremes site? I’m looking for some now.

Al – at 12:14

Actually I have emycin but not for prepping. I’ll check monotremes’s site, thanks.

Al – at 12:46

Lisa, where on Monotreme’s site did you see this? I’m there now, can’t find it.

23 November 2006

Homesteader – at 10:56

It is so funny to “hear” you guys talk about Maine. We moved from Maine about 1 1/2 years ago. My ex and kids live in Waldoboro so Moody’s is a familiar sight.

Lisa in Southern Maine – at 22:52

Al - It was on thread that had the most comments from last week. I’ll go check and return with proper direction.

Homesteader - You mean you moved out of Maine? I didn’t think people did that! : )

Lisa in Southern Maine – at 22:56

OK, it’s on the ‘ask Monotrem’ thread, Nov.17–20, Beehiver at 11:03pm. Interesting info.

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