Link to previous day’s news thread: http://tinyurl.com/pr9jf
(First posts for this news thread pasted here from yesterday’s thread. Sorry about the loss of formatting. )
Commonground – at 07:11
The Interactive TIME, Denpasar: Tim the Medical Faculty the Udayana University Animal found proof that the virus avian influenza (AI) spread to the pig in Bali. This bird flu virus was carried out by the research in the scale that wider to see the condition for the spread of this virus. The AI findings to the starting pig from the student’s research that diagnosed several pigs that were sick to May-June 2006. From 20 pigs, two among them positive was infected by the virus H5N1. “The pig livestock was in Gianyar and Tabanan,” said I Gusti Ngurah Mahardika, the faculty’s medical lecturer the university, on Friday. The developing virus to the pig was sick and could not be cured by getting the series of medical treatment. After being operated on had reddish signs in the network of the spleen. By making use of technology imono histokimia was seen that the red sign was the virus that was in the network of the pig. But the virus H5N1 was not found in the network of the animal body. The “possibility of his virus only numpang lewat or was acknowledged as the virus that oportunistik,” said Mahardika. The discovery was not yet published as the scientific study, but has been sent to the Balinese Livestock Breeding Service as the warning to be guarded against. ‘’‘The spread of the virus, according to Mahardika, really dimungkinkan because of the pattern of the poultry farm and the duck free entered the pigsty’‘’. The possibility of the virus tertular through food or the waste of the animal. In Bali was gotten by approximately 900 thousand pigs that the coexistence with other livestock.
Pixie – at 07:59
October 6, 2006 New York Times http://tinyurl.com/mnjn8
In all, four manufacturers are expected to make as much as 115 million doses this year, a record supply. That is up from just two manufacturers making about 61 million doses two years ago.
<snip> For the last two years, health officials had instructed providers to give shots in the early weeks of the season only to those deemed at highest risk. Not so this year.
<snip> This period of plenty presents its own challenges: manufacturers will now face the risk of being unable to sell all their flu shots. Since each year’s doses are made specifically to fight the flu strains circulating that year, manufacturers must discard any vaccines that remain unsold by season’s end.
<snip> The Bush administration briefly considered guaranteeing the purchase of all flu vaccines, in order to encourage more manufacturers to enter the market. Besides ensuring adequate supplies of seasonal flu vaccines, this strategy would have improved the likelihood of a manufacturing capacity sufficient to produce enough vaccine in the event of a flu pandemic. But the money involved would have been considerable, and the plan was shelved.
<snip> Altogether, public health officials are recommending that 218 million people in the United States receive vaccinations, although far fewer usually do.
Oh my. Reaally sorry about the formatting. Hope it’s the thought that counts!
If We Must Ration Vaccines for a Flu, Who Calls the Shots?
Folks, include this article in your PFAW packet.
You have 100 doses of a vaccine against a deadly strain of influenza that is sweeping the country, with no prospect of obtaining more. Standing in line are 100 schoolchildren and 100 elderly people.
The elderly are more likely to die if they catch the flu. But they also have fewer years left to live and don’t get out enough to easily spread or catch the disease. The kids are more likely to act like little Typhoid Marys, sneezing virus over anyone they encounter, and have almost their whole life ahead of them. But they’re also less likely to die if they get sick.
Whom do you vaccinate?
This dilemma is haunting experts concerned that avian influenza might start spreading from person to person instead of (as far as we know) mainly from birds to people. But it also applies to regular old flu, which always has the potential to reach pandemic proportions. In response, studies now are shedding light on the ethical issues and the most effective strategy for reducing illness and death if vaccine must be rationed. Sadly, they make a pretty good case that current U.S. policies leave a lot to be desired.
See the Iron Law.
Schoolchildren and the elderly will not get theirs until the government workers and especially TPTB have been treated.
Unfortunately, you are exactly right.
No, the answer to the kids vs old is neither. The old cant be productive enough to rebuild society and the children are too small to be productive. 15 and up but no old people. If your not going to make a huge contribution its back of the line.
In reality by the time there is a vaccine there will be so few people left it wont be that big of a deal and either they will have survived and are already immune or they are “SIPing” and are not coming out for a vaccine to stand in line with 200 people.
Recombinomics Commentary October 5, 2006
“New H5N1 bird flu sequences have been deposited at Genbank and Los Alamos (see list here and here). These sequences were deposited by the Beijing Genome Institute and represent complete sequences of all eight gene segments of H5N1 isolates from poultry and wild birds in China from 1997 to 2004. Some of these sequences are updated versions of a series of sequences released earlier this year under the title “A cohort of AIV H5N1 subtypes isolated from wild aquatic birds and domestic poultry revealed rapid transmission, frequent reassortment, and identifiable recombination events.” The sequence contained a number of examples of clear-cut recombination.
Recently additional sequences from the 1970’s were released and these sequences from Hong Kong are well conserved in the above 2004 sequences, which again raise questions about the central dogma of influenza genetics which maintains that season variation is due to random mutations.
In addition to the sequences from the 1970’s, the new sequences from 1997 also show a high level of sequence conservation. In the PB2 gene the 2004 tree sparrow sequence, A/tree sparrow/Henan/2/2004(H5N1) between positions 685 and 2146 has only three differences with the 1997 chicken sequence, A/chicken/Hubei/wi/1997(H5N1).
This sequence conservation is inconsistent with an error prone polymerase lacking a proof reader function as the source of seasonal variation in human flu, or rapid evolution in pandemic flu.
Instead, the data clearly shows that both season flu and pandemic flu evolve via homologous recombination. The confirmation of the earlier data demonstrates that the clear examples of recombination are not due to lab error, but reflects the primary mechanism of influenza evolution.
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/10050603/H5N1_Recombination_Confirmation.html
Those that accept the concept of recombination are frequently declared heretics, and are slow-roasted over a bunsen burner. The God of Reassortment is the only one worshipped in the scientific community - thats the way understand it.
I just have no faith that they will ration the vaccine to the appropriate age groups anyway. They will ultimately base it on seasonal flu and get it all wrong. After sheltering in place, I am banking on social distancing, hand washing, masks and lots of luck for my family.
Sorry, should have labeled that COMMENT Didn’t mean to clog up the news thread.
The Jakarta Post, Makassar, Semarang
Oct 6,2006
‘’‘Seven people showing symptoms of bird flu have been admitted to a hospital in Makassar, South Sulawesi.
The patients, most less than 10 years old, were being treated in the Pakis isolation room at Wahidin Sudirohusodo Hospital on Thursday for high fever and vomiting.’‘’
“Our preliminary clinical diagnosis was that they were infected with the bird flu virus, so we moved them to the isolation room,” said M. Halik, who is responsible for bird flu treatment at the hospital.
Halik said the seven patients’ blood had tested negative for the H5N1 bird flu virus. To be certain of the diagnosis, however, he said doctors needed the results of tests on the patients’ nasal mucus from a laboratory in Jakarta.
“We’ve sent the specimens to Jakarta and are waiting for the test results,” he said.
Family members said chickens near the patients’ homes had been falling ill and dying rapidly without any clear reason, Halik added.” - excerpt
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20061006.A06&irec=5
Sorry no link but it’s all over the news: Chemical plant explosion near Raleigh, NC forces thousands to evacuate.
So you think you’re safe at home, then boom. A plant nearby has an explosion, relaesing toxic gas. Next thing you know you’re high-tailin’ it out of there with little more than the shirt on your back.
KEEP THOSE BUG-OUT-BAGS READY AT ALL TIMES!!!!!
Also, please read DEM’s link to WSJ article. While it’s been discussed here before, it is still quite chilling to read about what could happen if vaccines have to be reationed. Show it to others. I was really surprise to see it in the WSJ today, front page section 2.
Recombinomics Commentary October 6, 2006
New H5N1 sequences have been released from northern China. …. sequences strongly supports acquisition via homologous recombination, and the identity between the sequences that were 22 years apart shows that the sequence could be faithfully copied over an extended time period. These data were similar to Canadian swine data which also had examples of clear cut recombination as well as long stretches of identity in sequences that were isolated over 25 years apart (see identities in PB2 and PA).
The examples of frequent and clear cut homologous recombination involving sequences faithfully copied for several decades seriously challenges the dogma of influenza genetic which maintains that seasonal variations are due to genetic drift cause by random mutations generated by a polymerase lacking a proof reading function and pandemic shifts are due to reassortment.
The latest examples of recombination show that the random muations can easily be generated by homologous recombination between closely related sequences, and genetic shifts can be generated by recombination between distantly related genes. The acquisition of single nucleotide changes (SNPs) by homologous recombination is also supported by polymorphism tracing through an expanding sequence database. The “new: polymorphisms are easily found in earlier sequences which are frequently found in closely related sequences which are transported and transmitted by wild birds.”
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/10060601/H5N1_H7N1_PB1_Recombination.html
Lurker Mom – at 10:22 wrote:
“I just have no faith that they will ration the vaccine to the appropriate age groups anyway. They will ultimately base it on seasonal flu and get it all wrong. After sheltering in place, I am banking on social distancing, hand washing, masks and lots of luck for my family.”
I agree. This is your first and most important line of defense.
Something strange is afoot in Panama…
Panama’s Health Ministry declared a national epidemic alert on Tuesday after a mystery illness killed at least fifteen people and left others suffering with fever, diarrhea and partial paralysis. Doctors do not know the cause but say the disease progresses rapidly to the renal system and causes neurological damage.
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“These symptoms are completely unusual, and have not been detected before in our country,” said Panama’s health director, Cirilo Lawson.
Kentucky
The state of Kentucky has a draft document online intended to be used when a pandemic vaccine becomes available, listing who will be eligible to get the vaccine first. The guidelines reflect those published by HHS, which are different to some degree than the priorities expressed in the WSJ article posted above (thanks, Dem)…definite food for thought.
prepperbabe – at 12:58 We made some comment on it the last few days on the Rumor thread. The current figure for there are now at 18. Some where thinking it might be a chemical exposure.
“ mystery illness in Panama, South America, claimed the life of another victim on Thursday, bringing to 18 the number of people who have died from it and baffled health officials said poison could be involved…..no signs that the sickness was contagious….
illness - which starts with nausea, diarrhea and weakness, and progresses to acute kidney failure, paralysis and death - has struck mainly elderly men being treated for high blood pressure, diabetes and kidney disorders… Ten other people are sick with the illness.”
prepperbabe – at 12:58 wrote: Something strange is afoot in Panama…
The “elderly” people involved also had pre-existing medical conditions, high blood pressure, diabetes and kidney disorders , which might be the common link. I’d be more concerned if younger individulas were involved.
maybe some bad medicine.
..or bad booze….(hey, it happens!)
Studies show global warming increase incidences of respiratory diseases
Friday, October 06, 2006
The Environmental Magazine
“Dear EarthTalk: I know that global warming causes extreme weather and melts glaciers and causes sea level rises. But how does it increase the spread of disease? — Curran Clark, Seattle, WA
Climate change accelerates the spread of disease primarily because warmer global temperatures enlarge the geographic range in which disease-carrying animals, insects and microorganisms— as well as the germs and viruses they carry — can survive. Analysts believe that, as a result of global temperature rises, diseases that were previously limited only to tropical areas may show up increasingly in other, previously cooler areas.
For example, mosquitoes carrying dengue fever used to dwell at elevations no higher than 3,300 feet, but because of warmer temperatures, they have recently been detected at 7,200 feet in Colombia’s Andes Mountains. And biologists have found malaria-carrying mosquitoes at higher-than-usual elevations in Indonesia in just the last few years. These changes happen not because of the kinds of extreme heat we’ve experienced in recent months, but occur even with minuscule increases in average temperature.
But extreme heat can also be a factor, and the nexus of global warming and disease really hit home for North Americans in the summer of 1999, when sixty-two cases of West Nile virus were reported in and around New York City. Dr. Dickson Despommier, a Columbia University public health professor, reports that West Nile Virus is spread by one species of mosquito that prefers to prey on birds, but which will resort to biting humans when its normal avian targets have fled urban areas during heat waves.
“By reproductive imperative, the mosquitoes are forced to feed on humans, and that’s what triggered the 1999 epidemic,” Despommier says. “Higher temperatures also trigger increased mosquito biting frequency. The first big rains after the drought created new breeding sites.” He adds that a similar pattern has been recognized in other recent West Nile outbreaks in Israel, South Africa and Romania.
Bird flu is another example of a disease that is likely to spread more quickly as the Earth warms up, but for a different reason: A United Nations study found that global warming — in concert with excessive development — is contributing to an increased loss of wetlands around the world. This trend is already forcing disease-carrying migrating birds, who ordinarily seek out wetlands as stopping points, to instead land on animal farms where they mingle with domestic poultry, risking the spread of the disease via animal-to-human and human-to-human contact - excerpt
http://www.insightnews.com/health.asp?mode=display&articleID=2669
The death toll is is ‘steadily rising’ in India and now the Health Minister is saying it’s not chikungunya.Okieman or someone more computer literate could you please post the article.It’s at indiaenews.com. Look under health.Thanks and sorry for the lack of skill.
Even as the Kerala toll of those dying of fever, believed to be symptoms of chikungunya, is steadily rising, union Health Minister Anbumani Ramadoss says the cause of death is not chikungunya.
Addressing a press conference after visiting two hospitals in the district, he said the deaths were not due to chikungunya.
When media persons persisted that the deaths were due to chikungunya, Ramdoss said agitatedly: ‘Are you people experts in diagnosis? I am saying this because this is the opinion of experts. The real cause of deaths would be clear in the next few days.’
He even threatened to walk out of the press conference.
‘The centre would extend all help. Mosquito nets, testing kits and other essential items will be distributed in the affected areas,’ Ramdoss said.
So far, 89 people have died of the dreaded fever in the state.
Seventy percent of the patients who have died are above 65 years and hence it is believed that the cause of death is not chikungunya.
The disease was first detected in the state July 27 and about 100,000 people have been affected so far.
The coastal districts of Alappuzha, Ernakulam, Kottayam, Kollam are the worst hit. The dreaded fever has also been reported from Thiruvananthapuram.
Former state law minister and senior opposition leader K.M. Mani told reporters: ‘The reality is this is chikungunya. How else would 89 people die?’ asked Mani.
A snapshot of India right now(Flulike illness infecting thousands,death toll not consistant with Dengue or chikunguna,hospitals overflowing, health care workers getting sick, schools closing,numbers steadily increasing,health minister sounding a little panicked.What is going on?
witness – at 19:10 Links Please
Indiaenews .com Same link that Dennis posted. Go to main page and click on health.This is all under the many articles on Dengue fever.Sorry, really not computer savvy.
witness – at 19:26 Dennis in Colorado – at 18:06 Thank you:
Additional data from past news articles. Need the Hive to look at this.
India
Delhi dangerously close to dengue epidemic
New Delhi, October 1, 2006
Delhi is not in the grip of a dengue epidemic. But if the situation does not improve in another couple of days, it will be.
“If the spread of the outbreak is not contained by Tuesday, we will declare an epidemic,” said Delhi health minister Yoganand Shastri on Sunday even as the government constituted a special task force to assist the Municipal Corporation of Delhi in containing the disease, which has claimed 11 lives in the capital.
http://www.centralchronicle.com/20061002/0210102.htm
Kids down with pneumonia
Chronicle News Service Raisen, Oct 1: As the weather is changing so children are suffering from pneumonia and half a dozen children have died till now at pediatric ward in the district hospital.
However, there are only 16 beds at the pediatric ward but on Sunday 45 children have been admitted in this ward. There were 25 children who were found affected with pneumonia. These children are being treated with nabulizer machine giving them steam treatment. The patients have also been admitted in Dhanvantari Dhamashala. The children who have been admitted earlier not being discharged as their treatment is going on. Every day 5–6 new patients are being admitted here.
from machine translation,
14 month old baby suspected Bird Flu Bandung
“West Java,…patient from Sumedang had a name Holy Rahmawati was 14 months old began to undergo the maintenance on Monday afternoon (2/10) struck 15. ..Hospital of the Berung Tip ..Because of the condition for the patient who continued to worsen finally the patient was reconciled to the Handsome Hospital of Sadikin Bandung. The family said, the last few days chickens that was in his residence village, that is in Sukawening, Jatinangor, died suddenly”
Oct 6, 2006 (CIDRAP News) – “In a development that could complicate avian influenza control efforts, an Indonesian official said this week that some apparently healthy chickens showed evidence of H5N1 virus infection, according to the Jakarta Post.
Rachmat Setiadi, who heads the West Java Animal Husbandry Office, announced the findings 2 days ago after serologic testing of 20 chickens around the home of two people from Bandung who died of H5N1 infection at the end of September, the newspaper reported yesterday.
“The test has shown that four healthy chickens were infected with H5N1. We should be more cautious,” Setiadi was quoted as saying. He also said healthy chickens with H5N1 were found in other cities and regencies, but he didn’t name them.
Setiadi said the finding means that healthy chickens could carry the virus, according to the story. He recommended that residents stop keeping chickens in their backyards or near their homes. The Post reported that of Bandung’s 26 cities and regencies, only two were free of H5N1 virus in poultry.
The story did not indicate whether actual H5N1 viruses were isolated from the chickens. Serologic evidence of infection usually means the presence of antibodies to the virus, which suggests the host was exposed to the virus at some point but doesn’t necessarily mean the host is a current carrier.
Though the Asian strain of H5N1 is usually lethal in chickens, there has been at least one other report of asymptomatic chickens testing positive for the virus. In February, researchers reported that they found H5N1 viruses in apparently healthy chickens in live-bird markets in southern China. The researchers had analyzed flu viruses collected from thousands of wild and domestic birds in China and Hong Kong.”
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/oct0606avian.html
prepperbabe – at 12:58
Panama’s Health Ministry declared a national epidemic alert on Tuesday after a mystery illness killed at least fifteen people and left others suffering with fever, diarrhea and partial paralysis. ←
That sounds a lot like polio, doesn’t it?
No, sorry, I hadn’t read the rest before I responded.
Flu expert: World is better prepared for pandemic By TONY LEYS REGISTER STAFF WRITER October 6, 2006
The world is much better prepared to combat possible pandemics now than it was during previous waves of influenza that killed millions of people, the nation’s top expert said here today.
Dr. Nancy Cox, a native Iowan who leads U.S. preparations for a possible flu crisis, noted several key scientific advances since three deadly flu pandemics hit in the early and mid-20th century.
In the past, flu viruses seemed to strike out of nowhere, Cox said. Experts now understand how influenza viruses become particularly deadly by shifting their form, she said, and a sophisticated system has been set up to detect and track dangerous strains. Scientists also have developed better, faster tests, she said, and they are improving the design and manufacture of vaccines.
<snip>
In an interview after her lecture, Cox said health leaders must balance the need to portray the seriousness of the threat with concerns about needlessly panicking the public. “It’s about education, education, education, and really empowering people to understand what they can do,” she said.
One of the main things people can do now is get shots for regular, seasonal flu, she said. Those vaccinations wouldn’t protect against avian flu, but doctors say they could help ward off creation of a dangerous new strain by preventing bird-flu viruses from mixing with contagious seasonal-flu viruses in unvaccinated people exposed to both types. http://tinyurl.com/py26t
Comment: Cox has sidestepped the entire recombination/reassortment debate here by saying simply that viruses “shift form.”
“Experts now understand how influenza viruses become particularly deadly by shifting their form, she said, and a sophisticated system has been set up to detect and track dangerous strains. Scientists also have developed better, faster tests, she said, and they are improving the design and manufacture of vaccines.”
It seems there has been a strategic release of a number of almost identical messages to this one in the past few weeks…don’t know quite what to make of it.
Tom DVM – at 21:59
“Experts now understand how influenza viruses become particularly deadly by shifting their form, she said, and a sophisticated system has been set up to detect and track dangerous strains. Scientists also have developed better, faster tests, she said, and they are improving the design and manufacture of vaccines.”
It seems there has been a strategic release of a number of almost identical messages to this one in the past few weeks…don’t know quite what to make of it.
IMHO When TPTB all start to sound the same then what ever is going to happen is on the way and everyone is saying that all that can be done is being done so dont blame me.
Anon 451. Thanks. These statements are literally correct but quite clearly scientifically misleading.
1) “Experts now understand how influenza viruses become particularly deadly by shifting their form…” This is contrary to every expert that has commented that we know little about how virulence and transmissibility is coded for…in effect, we can do little more to predict then we could in 1918…the only difference is that we know the etiological agent…a virus.
2)”a sophisticated system has been set up to detect and track dangerous strains…” I’m not sure where this one comes from…there have been virtually no sequences avaliable for the last 5 years…might be a sophisticated system…but totally impractical and ineffectual.
3)”Scientists also have developed better, faster tests…” The tests may be fast but the antigenic shift in H5N1 must be faster because we are getting repeated reports otherwise.
4)”they are improving the design and manufacture of vaccines…”
Well, we can still only produce 200 million doses worldwide after six months of a pandemic and that is if the repeated failures that have occurred recently in much easier to produce seasonal influenzas do not continue.
I’m not sure of the exact point of this message. It is flawed in conception and flawed in delivery and may reflect poorly after the fact on the agency in question.
Tom DVM at 22:34-This claptrap combined with the abysmal response of local officials that I have been reading about elsewhere on the fluwiki has convinced me that early on you hit the nail on the head. Ethics, it is all about ethics, and the lack thereof will be our total undoing. And the lack of ethics breeds and feeds incompetence. Ethical behavior impels you to go the extra mile to properly discharge your duties. You have a bunch of factotums at all levels going through the motions of protecting public health. It isn’t that they don’t know that they should be better informed. It is that they really don’t give a damn. Too many people going through the motions and thinking about how little they can do to get by.
Flu expert: World is better prepared for pandemic
Experts now understand how influenza viruses become particularly deadly by shifting their form, she said, and a sophisticated system has been set up to detect and track dangerous strains.
Doctor says to dying patient, “Don’t worry, we are now much more able to track how fast you are dying.”
Should we give Nancy Cox the ‘optimist of the year award’?
Or is that her payback for being appointed a WHO pandemic supremo?
Sorry, I’m normally not that cynical, but Nancy Cox should know better…
did someone say something about Bird flu looking like botulism in birds?
Utah
“Hunters with plans to visit marshes around the Great Salt Lake for Saturday’s waterfowl season opener might feel like they showed up a day late when they see dead ducks littering the water. Utah wildlife officials are reporting that an outbreak of type C avian botulism has killed between 10,000 and 15,000 ducks and shorebirds statewide, with the majority of the dead birds on marshes of the Great Salt Lake. “During an aerial count in the middle of September, we estimated about 6,000 dead birds on the east shore of the lake just south of the causeway,”
India - strange eye infections
Doctors of Sankara Nethralaya, a premier eye hospital here, are keeping their fingers crossed over the restoration of the eyesight of 15 patients, referred by the Guwahati government hospital, diagnosed as having ‘some (unidentified) infection’. Hospital sources said, “All of them are suffering from some infection in their eyes - some are salvageable and others are not. However, it is too early to say anything about restoration of full vision for all the Assamese patients. We are not aware from where they contracted this infection.” The patients arrived in two batches since October 3 and are undergoing intensive treatment in the hospital, they said. Some of the patients have already undergone surgery, while others are under treatment, the sources added. The hospital was expecting more patients, they said.
New Drug Protects Against Influenza, Including Bird Flu Virus
Opening a new front in the war against flu, researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison have reported the discovery of a novel compound that confers broad protection against influenza viruses, including deadly avian influenza.
The new work, reported online this week (Oct. 4, 2006) in the Journal of Virology, describes the discovery of a peptide — a small protein molecule — that effectively blocks the influenza virus from attaching to and entering the cells of its host, thwarting its ability to replicate and infect more cells.
The new finding is important because it could make available a class of new antiviral drugs to prevent and treat influenza at a time when fear of a global pandemic is heightened and available antiviral drugs are losing their potency.
“This gives us another tool,” says Stacey Schultz-Cherry, a UW-Madison professor of medical microbiology and immunology and the senior author of the new report. “We’re quickly losing our antivirals.”
The new drug, which was tested on cells in culture and in mice, conferred complete protection against infection and was highly effective in treating animals in the early stages of infection. Untreated infected animals typically died within a week. All of the infected animals treated with small doses of the drug at the onset of symptoms survived.
“Pretreatment with (the peptide) provided 100 percent protection against numerous subtypes (of flu), including the highly pathogenic H5N1 viruses…,” according to the Journal of Virology report.
Comment
Tom DVM, Anon_451, MM, anon_22, Being that this is a news thread, after reading the Nancy Cox release I bit down real hard on my tongue…but found the comments downright demeaning to the general public. So thank you for saying something. We frankly do far far better on this wiki, getting the honest word out.
She also got that federal award last week. I don’t want to get too cynical either, but are they trying to paint gold leaf on the CDC and vaccine efforts? We hear reports on one hand that there is plenty of vaccine this year in the U.S., on the other hand that clinics have short supply; or that some pediatric offices are not getting their deliveries, with those being subject to approval by the FDA. (What’s going on with that?) I will bite my tongue again and stop for now.
bluetide
Hello in Maine. WONDERFUL NEWS!! This is the first encouraging thing I have read in a year of prepping and following fluwikie. Perhaps a new thread is in order to give this the prominence it should have.
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