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Forum: Submarines Quarantine for Months Why Cant Critical Infrastructure

Jumping Jack Flash02 December 2006, 22:57

Nuclear submarines regularly load up with food and supplies, go out in the ocean, submerge and remain submerged for 3 months. (They can and have gone longer)

Why can’t critical infrastructure do the same? Please - someone convince me as to why this is not possible.

Bird guano02 December 2006, 23:07

Nuclear subs = Taxpayer $$$ funded.

The Admirals make the rules.

Utilities = private $$$ funded.

The MBA’s and stockholders make the rules.

The suits have gutted most of the public infrastructure so that it’s already a house of cards.

No way would they put the stockholder $$$ into funding food, water and medical stockpiles for employees.

Jumping Jack Flash02 December 2006, 23:51

6 months food might cost $2,000 per worker. I’m thinking 30 workers per plant plus average family size of 4 X 30 = 120 workers per plant. 500 plants X 120 people per plant = 60,000 people to SIP for power. 60,000 people X $2,000 = $120,000,000 dollars. Chump change. Minute fraction of a 290 billion dollar industry.

The federal budget for pandemic was something like 6 or 7 billion. We can’t use 120 million of that for SIP of workers and their family?

But you are right, BG. The suits wouldn’t sacrifice even .1% of their multi million dollar bonus which is dependent on how leanly (not how reliably) they deliver power.

So that takes us back to federalizing the critical infrastructure as the only solution. Thats probably what will happen post pandemic - if anyone is left…

AnnieB03 December 2006, 02:40

I just posted this response at the other forum:

‘’ Submariners (and their families) know that extended periods at sea are part of their job. Could you imagine telling employees of a power supply company that all the rules for their work had now changed? Also, during a time of high emotional stress such as an emergency or disaster, peoples loyalty tends to be with their family first and their employer second - unless the conditions of employment etc require it to be the other way around - such as military personnel as you have mentioned.

Also, within the military, while a person is away from their families for extended periods, there are specific arrngements for ‘assisting’ their families - which vary from service to service and country to country. Would critical infrastructure owners be willing to put that support process in place?

I agree that, conceptually, it could be a great idea, but the ‘practicalities’ may make it somewhat difficult. ‘’

[[Submariners (and their families) know that extended periods at sea are part of their job. Could you imagine telling employees of a power supply company that all the rules for their work had now changed? Also, during a time of high emotional stress such as an emergency or disaster, peoples loyalty tends to be with their family first and their employer second - unless the conditions of employment etc require it to be the other way around - such as military personnel as you have mentioned.

Also, within the military, while a person is away from their families for extended periods, there are specific arrngements for ‘assisting’ their families - which vary from service to service and country to country. Would critical infrastructure owners be willing to put that support process in place?

I agree that, conceptually, it could be a great idea, but the ‘practicalities’ may make it somewhat difficult.

|Link to new forum discussion of same topic]]

AnnieB03 December 2006, 02:43

Sorry - I got that link all wrong - oops - need to practise some more ;-)

Try this:

Same topic on new forum

Snap?03 December 2006, 09:48

Submarines were designed to be small closed systems. Isolation and stealth are some of the methods used to go untracked. Probably not too many systems in the world designed to those types of specifications.

bump?05 December 2006, 14:09

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Mamabird?05 December 2006, 15:28

Jumping Jack Flash — 02 December 2006, 22:57

Why can’t critical infrastructure do the same? Please - someone convince me as to why this is not possible.

Please be aware JJF that some critical infrastructure entities have offered protective sequestration to their employees as well as their families, and they have said “thanks, but no thanks”. So, while that may be appealing to you personnaly as a grid operator, others in your same position do not agree.

Unlike the military, the suits can not quarantine against the workers will.

bump?10 December 2006, 17:06

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