Continued from Checkmate.
NS1 at 22:23. You stated: “In simple terms, the H5N1 and the 1918 strains in question have the ability to fool the immune system into delaying the Interferon response. The virus basically says, “Keep moving, nothing happening here.”
Is there not a similar action in HIV, where the virus particle essentially “clothes itself” in part of the T cell’s membrane as it exits the cell, making it invisible to antibodies? The Oct 23 WHO research paper on H5N1 mentions that there is evidence H5N1 doesn’t elicit much of an immune response at all in many cases, which is possibly why there are so many negative test results when every indication is that the person tested has H5N1. Also, when you were asked what could be done by a person to help overcome this lack of interferon you mentioned some cleansing diets etc to build up the body’s natural interferon response: I recall back in the 70′s that Linus Pauling was researching the role of Vitamin C in eliciting this interferon response (I was working as a lab tech at the time in a virus research institute, and the doc I worked for had me running some tests along these lines.) Any comment on the efficacy of Vitamin C in interferon production increase?
22, but as I understood the sequences had been in the protected WHO database. All the
reference laboratories had had access.
see here
Such important mutations had been mentioned by WHO in the past.
Although maybe not always immediately. But a delay of half a year is unusual.
Remember Vietnam. Remember Turkey. Remember Karo.
Now it seems that they changed their policy wrt. reporting mutations.
Release of sequences had improved, yes. But as a “revenge” release
of information has decreased. And the sequences are being “manipulated”.
When there are several sequences from one person/bird/outbreak,
they are constructively chosing for the one sequence among them
which they release.
And nobody seems to care. This was quite different earlier this year.
I doubt, that they will timely tell us, when there are significant mutations in Indonesia. They could just repeat the sequencing until they happen to find one without the mutation.
I’m not sure about this, how reliable recombinomics is. But I think we should ask them and urgem them to clarify.
Well, you can be sure sequences with dramatic changes WILL be witheld and delayed by those with inside power and those who have financial sway by individual personel (stocks, bonuses, future employment promises of the staff themselves - done big time in the FDA) or policy control (influencial political donations, etc - done alot int the USA for policy decisions like not allowing bulk price negotiations with drug companies). These dramatic sequences are the ones with value for academic papers, vaccine development (BIG $$$), and/or “panic control” or even sequences delayed “for confirmation” simply because one makes a dearly held theory of someone inside look bad or tenuous or wrong. Too bad for us. The human (vs the virus) queen pieces in this chess game make moves controlled by subtle hands whose agenda does not have us (people in general) at the top of their list. Except as a desperate and frenzied vaccine market, ready to pay any price to live.
Mary in Hawaii – at 23:12
I don’t have any information ± on vitamin c single constituent therapy for interferon response.
It’s certainly possible, but I haven’t studied it. Our current research is in the field of natural health using no synthetics.
What about Vitamin D, does it play a role here? I read it was important to homeostatis.
Argyll.
anonymous,
The release of sequences has even more problems now. WHO used to withhold sequences until publication. Now they are withholding sequences AFTER publication. Most of the sequences used in the PNAS paper on Fujian spread in China were withheld (only HA and some PB2 sequneces were released) and now the sequences in the Nature paper on receptor binding domain changes in clones has also been withheld (only a change in the proteins were in the table - the nucleotide sequences of the clones, as well as sequences in Azerbaijan and Iraq were withheld).
The lead authors on these papers are WHO consultants.
Their sole purpose to withhold sequences after publication would be for claims to future vacinnes?
The ability of those who are withholding these sequences to imagine a future that lies just over the horizon seems to be impaired, claims to future vaccines or published papers nothwithstanding. The price could be an ignominious reputation in history, repeated in every children’s textbook. I don’t understand why any of these top scientists take that chance.
Ego, money, power, malice, stupidity, the fog of academia disconnected from real life.
Pick two
;-)
Father knows best syndrome at it’s zenith I’m afraid.
Sure hope there are future children’s textbooks…
Mary in Hawaii, wave at the cruise ships: I’ve got a couple of old folks on there. (Can’t stop ‘em; I obviously don’t know how folks work…)
I would love to think I could take a cruise some day - however, it seems to be just another of those aspirations that have gone into “hold” mode - possibly for a very long time to come. I even shutter at the thought of traveling more than 2 hours from home now. I wonder how long we will be in limbo with this threat hanging over every thought…
LEG - we may be for some time. Try to do more reading on possible outbreak scenerios, here at the wiki. I don’t think you need to be as worried as you sound.
People were just as worried a year ago. Relax. If you feel too wound up in this, thats counterproductive. I feel very somber today, will take a break for a while until the mood has passed.
whatever happened with Anon in NH “something big in 10 days” ?
Good question!
Well, those 12-week-prep warden reports were interesting, and, the tv morning talking heads this morning were smiling through “National Influenza Vaccine Week” (our first, right?) and giving “facts” like, “You can get the flu from the flu shot -False!” “Only old people need the shot -False!” Smile, smile for the cameras! See? All educated now…on to traffic and weather…
hawkeye – at 11:23 whatever happened with Anon in NH “something big in 10 days” ?
Unless PEOPLE start literally falling from the sky, even IF there were H5N1 HPAI in the United States, you would NOT hear anything about it until after the holiday shopping season.
ESPECIALLY in light of the recent consumer confidence report, the free-fall of the dollar, and China pegging the Yuan higher against the dollar.
NOBODY is going to upset that apple cart until after the retail frenzy is over.
Agreed. However, I’m curious to hear from Anon in NH regarding the info they had.
“Unless PEOPLE start literally falling from the sky, even IF there were H5N1 HPAI in the United States, you would NOT hear anything about it until after the holiday shopping season.”
BG @ 12:38
I think you get the gold star for correctness . . .
The “something big in 10 days,” as I understood it was going to be an announcement by TPTB to the state’s regarding advice on TLC and assorted other measures. For all I know, that info is trickling through the channels as I write.
Like you, I am watching and waiting. Nothing glaring that I’ve noticed so far. However, what I *have* noticed is a lot more MSM stories about how closing schools and 1918-style measures (social distancing, mainly) may be the only thing that saves the day during pandemic. Also lots more stories about what things were like in 1918 (which I take as, “Heads up folks. It ain’t gonna be pretty!”) than there were previously.
While not a blaring, obvious announcement, these stories by MSM are along a different vein than reporting up to this point. Not hearing much romanticizing of Tamiflu these days, but you are hearing about school closures and cancelation of public meetings, etc. If you look back at my original posts, those items were the main thrust of the info that my guy passed on. I’m wondering if these stories aren’t the result of back channel manipulation of the media (THAT would be shocking, huh?) to gradually innoculate the public to the ideas that are being promoted by the IOM.
However, the timing of release of the IOM recommendations isn’t supposed to be until mid-December, according to anon_22, so that may not be it at all.
I’m reading tea leaves here just like the rest of you. I plan to check in with my contact (who is on the road for a few days) by the end of the week. If I learn anything more, I will pass it on. And even if I don’t learn anyting more, I’ll pass that on.
One thing to keep in mind…this “big announcement” in 10 days thing could be a repeat of what we saw in Hong Kong with premature release of the “prep for 12 weeks” memo. Time will tell.
Make that “…to the states…”
“ back channel manipulation of the media “
‘twould be shocking, just shocking… (insert rolling eyes here)
I think it was a little naive of us (myself included) to think that an announcement would be made after Black Friday. Annoucement about HPAI in South Korea is a little disturbing, but not Earth shattering. TPTB will probably wait until after Christmas season, and after everybody gets one last ‘feel good’ moment on New Year’s Eve… oh, and the mythical college football National Championship…. oh, and then the NFL Playoffs and SuperBowl… wait, then there is March Madness and Easter… excuses…excuses…
anonymous – at 16:20 ←- that was me… as if anyone cares ;-)
Anon in NH, thank you for the update. I guess time will tell.
As discussed this morning on the rumors thread, there is also a geopolitical situation similiar to that in 1918 that was used as a government excuse to hide the truth from the country and the world: the war, not wanting to appear weak, international economic and political conerns, etc. It took me a long time of coming to this forum before I actually have been able to accept the fact that they just might not tell us the truth and can later cover their butts by saying, “Well, we warned you to prep. You just didn’t listen. Not our fault.”
There’s a special place in Hades waiting for those whose priorities are so inhumane.
Hades; heck! - I’ve got a special place in mind for them here first: “draft” them into your local Mortuary Reserve Corps.
They’ve said it to my face already; in the same breath “Oh, I think people have heard warnings - can’t tell them more or they’ll panic, because, they’re not ready”
- inhumane or insane? (Or both… grumble, grumble Ignorance alone explain these people? Don’t think so.)
crfullmoon – at 17:02
Actually, I would like to see them drafted as medical assistants. They will receive the same PPE as the rest of the medical staff (ie: none) and will be able to see first hand the suffering that they could have been minimized. The images of men, women, and children suffering and dying will be seared into their brains forever.
Thank you Anon in NH. I am waiting to hear what your contact says. Thanks for the update
When I first read Berry’s book- and its been probably a couple of years ago now, the thing that really stunned me was the simularities between that period and this one in terms of politics/economics etc.
While I had HOPED that TPTB would do the right thing in informing people about this danger, I allways had that sinking feeling that they would not. Its not the nature of governments to be open with those they serve and this administration seems to embrace secracy more than previous ones.
Asked my contact if he’d heard any more on the announcement in 10 days. He has not heard any further but is keeping his antennae up and will keep me posted if he hears further.
The announcement that we are looking for will go something like this.
“We are currently in a Pandemic, begin practicing social distancing measures now.”
It will not come untill the pandemic is in full swing.
Just be proactive, remember the ant and the grasshopper story. Do what you can and hope for the best.
why do I have a question mark next to my name?
The question mark indicates that the poster does not have a profile in the system. I’m sure it serves a purpose, but it’s ugly and obnoxious IMO.
the day after tomorrow? — 29 November 2006, 12:22
“We are currently in a Pandemic, begin practicing social distancing measures now.”
Are you saying that a governmental announcement stating this is forthcoming (ie: in the next week or so)? Honestly, I do not see it happening. IMHO do not think any announcement of this type will happen until it is very obvious to the general public already. In that way, the announcement will be a moot point.
I don`t see that message being issued ,ever.
TPTB want to keep everyone calm and quiet.MSM will slowly start reporting “flu”,not PA until the folks start dieing. Then,maybe, a level of concern will be expressed. But, I`m not holding my breath.
Oh no I am not saying that, just that when we get there that’s how it’ss come out. Sorry for the PPF spike
Birdie Kate,
I also was wondering about the question mark. Hope we hear soon.
Argyll.
Edna Mode at 12:46 -
Yea, I’m wondering why “anonymous” doesn’t get a dotted line and a question mark - talk about an unknown.
Maybe it has something to do with the enter code number? No. Won’t allow you to post without it. Perhaps, it has something to do with the new site?
Argyll
I read somewhere that once citizens are educated to seasonal flu, then pandemic flu will be introduced. We seem to be in full swing with seasonal flu education. I would bet pandemic education is riding close behind — if not already here.
I am referring specifically to mainstream citizens. Across the board media - on “pandemic influenza” education. There are still some people I talk to who are not sure of the differences between the two.
Argyll.
Argyll - I hope you are right about the education process. I keep harping on PSAs containing the pandemic flu message and how to really prepare for it. I hope we see some of these at some point.
to Sniffles – at 17:34
“Medical Reserve Corps”, “Mortuary Reserve Corps”…
( shrug ) two sides of the same coin?
Well lets see if the “profile” thing worked. I now have a profile so shouldn’t have a ? mark
Anon in NH – at 16:12 The “something big in 10 days,” as I understood it was going to be an announcement by TPTB to the state’s regarding advice on TLC and assorted other measures. For all I know, that info is trickling through the channels as I write.
did we miss this?
Birdie kate- I read that when mojo found it, and I couldn’t find a relation to what my brother-in-law told me. If you haven’t read my post explaining this, go to community sandbox.