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Anon_451?25 December 2006, 20:47

Found this statement on AFT In the middle of a discussion of the death of a young bride. (I have posted that on the news page)

If this is true it would be the first I have heard of TAMIFLU given as preventive measure in the US.

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Topic: SEVERE OUTBREAK OF VIRULENT FLU

“mom24kidsagain

Posted: December 23 2006 at 8:39pm

this is interesting, a friend of mine in Missouri said her son (7 yrs old) broke out with a bad case of the flu. he’s in the hospital, the rest of the fam is on tamiflu as prescribed by his dr (they didn’t even know what it was) and they had to report it to the CDC.

does this strike you as kinda over the top for the “regular” flu?”

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25 December 2006, 21:53

Is there a possible “trigger” that may alert citizens that a pandemic is a clear and present danger?

Might this take place before influenza related deaths increase, and before it is “officially” stated as more than seasonal flu? How often are avian influenza tests run? (the new one using the microchip?)If used, how reliable are the test results for avian?

Argyll.

Ruth?25 December 2006, 22:24

I doubt it. I think we could have a lot of problems before “they” will officially announce avian flu. I doubt they will test for it because we don’t have the bird, bird flu here. That’s going to be our big mistake. It will come here and begin to circulate, without exposure to birds.

quilter1?25 December 2006, 22:57

I have a friend who is chronically ill. She has to stay away from sick folks. Her doctor prescribed Tamiflu two years ago for her and again last year. She is to keep it on hand to use if she thinks she might be in the first minutes of annual flu. Some docs prescribe.

cottontop?26 December 2006, 05:41

Anon_451- I would think the Tamiflu is a precautionary for the rest of the family. I wouldn’t think it odd. People take Tamiflu for regular flu.

Bronco Bill26 December 2006, 08:52

Mods---would it be possible to rename this thread to New Rumors XVII, since XVI was the last one?

Once that’s done, I’ll close the old thread and link to this one. Thanks

diana?26 December 2006, 10:03

I don’t find it odd. People here tend to overrreact to everything that might signal trouble.. Not a bad thing, but best not to lose perspective.

Mr Sarcasm?27 December 2006, 10:27

Notice: This is the start of a rumor. This didn’t happen. None of this is real.

SEOUL - Telecommunications around Asia were severely disrupted on Wednesday after earthquakes off Taiwan damaged undersea cables, slowing Internet services and hindering financial transactions, particularly in the currency market.

International telephone traffic was restricted from some countries and Internet access slowed to a crawl. Sources working with Asian telecoms providers said it could take several weeks before all the cables were repaired.

South Korea’s top fixed-line and broadband service provider, KT Corp, said six submarine cables were knocked out by Tuesday night’s earthquakes.


Now, why would the internet and phone service suddenly experience “problems” in South Korea? Even with the massive 9.0 earthquake in Indonesia two years ago we saw no problems.

Could it be a deliberate attempt by the powers that be to slow down the bad H5N1 news in South Korea? That the pandemic has started, and this is the first salvo to control the news?

Sarcastic minds want to know.

Jane?27 December 2006, 11:10

damaged phone cables

What do you mean, None of this is real?

diana?27 December 2006, 11:43

Perhaps Mr Sarcasm wants to show how easy it is to trigger an overreaction. A misread, a misquote, a paranoid mindset, and the rumor is off and running. Look at Rachael, the mispelling drama queen. Her friend returning from (her spelling) Tyland with aching bones and a case of flu, triggered over 3.000 look ins on her MySpace. It was analysed to a fare thee well. Lets not overreact.

Closed - Bronco Bill27 December 2006, 11:45

Mr Sarcasm — at 10:27 --- Could it be a deliberate attempt by the powers that be to slow down the bad H5N1 news in South Korea

Or it could very well be that there were no major undersea comm lines near the epicenter two years ago, and that this time, there were.

Bronco Bill27 December 2006, 11:45

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Okidokie?27 December 2006, 11:46

Mr. Sarcasm… It really depends on how it happens and how far away it is. Taiwan is very close to South Korea, but not close to Bande Aceh. Suddenly experiencing problems is not sudden at all if you have a 7.2 earthquake. More than likely, the cable ports tied into mechanical connectors got shaken up a bit and had to be restarted. Our real worry is probably Egypt or North Korea, but certainly not South Korea. Keep the heads up though.

Mary in Hawaii?27 December 2006, 13:16

Hi Mr. Sarcasm I think your point is well taken, that we have become alarmist junkies, looking for bird flu conspiracies under every rock, every innocuous happening. We do need to keep a cool head (collectively) or we become, even to ourselves, the boy who cried wolf. Some things, like the outbreak of severe flu in alabama, are worth discussing and keeping an eye on because for some time it wasn’t determined what strain of flu was involved. We are trying to keep on alert for signs that an H5N1 pandemic has begun. But we need to keep our focus, our threads, our vigilance on that, IMHO. At the same time, rumors may be all we have to go on in some cases, and can be a valuable first source, as long as they are honestly posted, come from what the poster believes to be a fairly reliable source, and are not just made up to get some action.

Bump - Bronco Bill?27 December 2006, 14:12

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Janesidescroll?27 December 2006, 16:15

Mod, please fix sidescroll. Thanks.

pogge27 December 2006, 17:57

Fixed and renamed.

Worldman27 December 2006, 21:18

hi folks. I lived in Taiwan for over four years. It is an electronic link to the rest of asia. For years, most of the computer and internet equipment made came right from Taiwan. I am not suprised at all to hear that the quake nocked out the links. I dont see any tin foil plans in the disruption.

Have a great day!!

Are we there yet?27 December 2006, 23:21

Not only is Mr Sarcasm fanning the conspiracy flames, but Bronco Bill is helping “bump” them! :-)

KellyP from CA?28 December 2006, 14:37

Alarmist junkies? I never thought I’d live to see the day that folks around me would shake their heads and roll their eyes at me because I have changed from a solid no-nonsense woman to a paranoid alarmist junky.

How can one spread the word about the dangers without looking like a kook who has lost her marbles?

Bronco Bill28 December 2006, 15:07

How can one spread the word about the dangers without looking like a kook who has lost her marbles?

It ain’t easy…people have become so accustomed to having someone else take care of everything (read: living in a nanny-state) that they’ve never had to deal with anything that might threaten them. The Guvmint has been taking care of people for so long that when someone comes along and says that there is a danger on the horizon and it’s heading their way, they just walk away, shaking their heads and laughing.

Sometimes it does take a 2×4 upside their head to wake them up!!

NJ Jeeper?28 December 2006, 15:17

I have decided to stop trying to help them and just get as ready as I can. When it is too late, they will ask for help or even worse ask for food and water from those who have prepped. Don’t be on the top of their list when they try to remember who was getting ready. I really believe that until it hits MSM big time, nothing will cause a change in their behaviour and then it will be to late.

I’m-workin’-on-it28 December 2006, 19:18

I agree NJ, & Kelly, it’s impossible to try to get some people to do anything sensible to take care of themselves. I get so tired of the eye rolling. I just back off & give up these days.

Into The Woods?28 December 2006, 20:11

It does not have to be a pandemic to illustrate how it might play out in a pandemic.

If officials have determined that, in their minds, premature reporting of events on the blogs would be counter to their plans, they very well might have mechanisms in place to prevent such premature notice from occurring.

I doubt, however, that the fabrication of an undersea earthquake would be necessary or required for such plans - and its occurrence on a coincidental basis with such news suppression is awfully long odds.

So while it seems unlikely that disruption now is intended to hide something, it is worth asking, now and in the future.

It is not the questions that determine whether tinfoil is your fashion, its the nature of your answers. So far as I can see, tin is not in.

Mary in Hawaii?28 December 2006, 21:39

Kelly P, et al: I apologize for the term “alarmist junkies”. I was really thinking of myself when I said that. It is hard to not go a bit over the edge when you are teetering on it so long. We tend to know too much, but yet are told so little. It is not just some paranoid fantasy that news is being squelched: time after time we’ve had clusters of “suspect cases” being tested, and then never are told the results of those tests. A logical mind would presume that negative tests would be touted by TPTB in order to assuage fears and promote business as usual. To hear nothing then sounds like a cover up. Maybe it’s not, but in the absence of answers ones imagination can get pretty wild.

KellyP from CA?28 December 2006, 21:49

Mary - Oh yeah…that reminds me…what ever happened to the kids in Alabama? How are they doing? Does anyone live in Alabama who can give us some updates?

I’m-workin’-on-it29 December 2006, 10:02

I live in the “neighborhood” and refer you to flutrackers….read thru for info:

http://tinyurl.com/yjyqyk

I’m-workin’-on-it29 December 2006, 22:01

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Wolf ?30 December 2006, 08:15

Into The Woods? — 28 December 2006, 20:11

… So while it seems unlikely that disruption now is intended to hide something, it is worth asking, now and in the future.

It is not the questions that determine whether tinfoil is your fashion, its the nature of your answers. So far as I can see, tin is not in.

I have nothing to add. Words to live by.

diana?30 December 2006, 12:42

You know trying to figure out the present is hard, and the future? forget it. Just look at the past, people can’t make up their minds about that. Any major event has its conspiracy theories attatched. I’m sure some people believe Sadaam will be driving a taxi in Amsterdam next week. That it was a double who was hanged.

Bronco Bill30 December 2006, 14:08

Stop!

Torange?30 December 2006, 16:46

It is so easy to overeact. Remember when they were sending 6 army field hospitals to cope with a bird flu outbreak in north Iraq? They were sending 6 ambulances.

Jody?30 December 2006, 18:57

“It is not the questions that determine whether tinfoil is your fashion, its the nature of your answers. So far as I can see, tin is not in.”

Ahh, ITW, you are frightfuly close to forming another one of my signature lines!

KellyP from CA?30 December 2006, 21:23

Just in case…I am starting to monitor several online Vietnamese news sites that are WRITTEN IN VIETNAMESE, since bird flu seems to be making a come back into the country with a vengeance despite all-out measures that Vietnam has been doing to combat the virus.

Hopefully, if anything comes through, I may be able to get a whiff ahead of any translated articles which could get mis-translated in the making…

INFOMASS30 December 2006, 23:20

KellyP: You can use toggletext on Vietnamese or get someone who knows it, but www.Vietnamnet.vn covers the news well and has an English version (click at the top) though it runs a day or two later than the Viet version. In general, bird flu is in the papers but not a hot issue yet in Vietnam, where I now am.

I’m-workin’-on-it30 December 2006, 23:31

Infomass keep us posted!

mother of five?30 December 2006, 23:45

Has anyone here heard of the “Bible Code?” I guess someone entered the bible into the computer and ran different programs to find any hidden patterns or codes (this is my understanding) within it. I guess some patterns were found and this book tells about it. Well, it predicts a nuclear explosion within the U.S. in the year 2006. I guess that means it’s countdown time….

I haven’t read the book myself, but my brother thought it an interesting concept and so he read it and passed the info. on to me.

I currently find the idea interesting, but can’t say as I believe it works—however, it’s food for thought as we get to the end of 2006. It’s not BF news, I know, but I thought some of you might find this interesting??? :)

I’m-workin’-on-it31 December 2006, 00:16

I’d forgotten about that — I remember something about it…..hope we don’t have to worry about it at all, but you know it could happen any time and that’s why we’re here preparing for BF (and any other number of things that could go wrong)!

Mountain Man31 December 2006, 00:32

I find the news of 67 indonesian deaths in Saudia Arabia on the other thread of flu wiki but cannot get to the story.Anyone have any suggestions?? Occurred on the Hodj??

quilter1?31 December 2006, 01:06

Mountain Man - hope this helps you.

A total of 67 Indonesian hajj pilgrims have died of old age and illness in Saudi Arabia since last month.

Of those who passed away in the Holly land, 29 people were between 60 and 69 years old, 18 people above 69 years old, 14 between 50 and 59 years old, and the remaining 9 were under 49 years old, information from the Indonesian hajj media center said here on Thursday.

Comment: they listed by name, age, and hometown those who died.

A total of 205,000 Indonesians are due to perform the hajj pilgrimage this year.

Comment: The Muslim faith considers it “good” to die during hajj, so it is common to go even if not well.

Mary in Hawaii?31 December 2006, 01:10

Here’s the original link. (Hope it works…I just checked it and it did.

http://www.antara.co.id/en/seenws/?id=25024

KellyP from CA?31 December 2006, 07:27

Infomass - thanks for the tip! Since you are thre, please continue to keep us informed. It’s just that when I read the news in Vietnamese, the details are a bit clearer to me, and I get it a tiny bit earlier too, rather than having to wait for the reports to become translated.

Honestly though, I had never felt the need to get VN news instantly before all this panflu began to raise my alarm buttons, but now, it’s become a daily ritual for me to scan the Vietnamese headlines, looking for BF stuff because I know that when TSHTF, it won’t be in a developed country, but will more likely be in a third world country, perhaps even in the very self same country that BF first began rearing its ugly head.

Since you are already there, please keep us informed.

Mountain Man31 December 2006, 15:55

Quilter 1,Thanks for the info.Looks like the headline stirred unwarranted concerns.The whole story puts perspective into the headline.Again,Thanks.MM

Bump - Bronco Bill?01 January 2007, 09:07

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Mr Sarcasm?01 January 2007, 13:17

Notice: This is the start of a rumor. These things did happen. None of this is connected to bird flu. None.

First a sinking boat….. Now a plane crash….

JAKARTA, Indonesia - An Adam Air flight that went missing over Indonesia with more than 100 passengers onboard probably crashed, a military airport official said Monday.

Rescue teams were searching for the Boeing 737–400 aircraft that sent out a distress signal flying in bad weather between the islands of Java and Sulawesi.

and

SEMARANG, Indonesia - Fishing boats recovered 66 bodies off Indonesia’s coast Sunday after a ferry carrying more than 600 passengers sank in a violent storm, the state news agency Antara reported.

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Could it be a deliberate attempt by the powers that be to slow down the bad H5N1 news in Indonesia? That the pandemic has started, and this is the second salvo to control the news? misdirection if you will?

Sarcastic minds want to know.

I’m-workin’-on-it01 January 2007, 13:28

Don’t think you’re on to anything with that one….it’s a real stretch.

Newsie01 January 2007, 14:51

Mr. Sarcasm you are really, really out there.

On the fence and leaning?01 January 2007, 18:56

Could it be a deliberate attempt by the powers that be to slow down the bad H5N1 news in Indonesia? That the pandemic has started, and this is the second salvo to control the news? misdirection if you will?

Sarcastic minds want to know.

My answer: NOPE If anything, it causes more ‘eyes’ to be looking that way. TPTB would need to do much more than sink a boat with a bunch of people on it. Think of crashing the internet, the only way to really stop news from spreading completely.

crfullmoon?01 January 2007, 20:49

If countries don’t have real safety inspections, or, routinely let too many people on board, no money spent on maintenance, don’t get weather warnings, ect; accidents happen.

The ammount of lives lost in ferry (or, overcrowded old bus or train) accidents, in many nations every year, is truly tragic.

banshee?02 January 2007, 11:19

Mr Sarcasm at 13:17, No, it’s not to stop the bad news. They are trying to stop the actual virus from escaping Indonesia. ;)

I’m-workin’-on-it03 January 2007, 09:51

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I’m-workin’-on-it03 January 2007, 10:49

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I’m-workin’-on-it04 January 2007, 15:00

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aboundant?05 January 2007, 11:05

The Indonesian Health Ministry has stated that at least seven people, including three children from Northern Sumatra Province in the district of Karo, are being hospitalized for the suspected H5N1 Bird Flu virus and officials believe that the infected are part of “two clusters” of family members who are sick.

The individuals are being treated at Adam Malik Hospital located in Medan. All individuals were admitted on Tuesday.

The Associated Press quoted Nyoman Kandun, a Health Ministry official, as saying, “there are two clusters, one with two sisters, the other with three family members, and another two of their neighbours.” The three children range in age from 18 months to six-years-old.

However; experts are waiting on results from tests on the individuals and must be “scientifically proven,” said Runizar Ruesin, also a Health Ministry official.

The condition of all victims are stable, however; all victims have a fever, a cough, and flu-like symptoms which officials say resemble the symptoms of Bird Flu.

“Their lungs have not shown signs of pneumonia but we have to keep monitoring them because in one or two days things could change,” said hospital director, Luhur Suroso.

According to anti-bird flu task force member, Bayu Krisnamurthi, if the situation is or becomes “feasible as far as the procedure is concerned” then poultry local to the area will be “culled” beginning “today.”

In May, seven members of the same family from the same district died when becoming infected with Bird Flu, possibly through human-to-human transmission. So far, officials have not stated if this is the case or not in the new clusters.F

http://manilamaildc.net/article1069.html

tjclaw1?05 January 2007, 11:20

aboundant - when I followed the links on the article, I find it was old news from August 2006:

http://tinyurl.com/yh53su

the day after tomorrow?05 January 2007, 11:54

Do we have these cases then? As the artcle says that they are related the the previous Karo cluster, we need to check the sequences.

crfullmoon?05 January 2007, 14:36

You can check down to the Indonesia Summary I think they weren’t omitted.(Just because; some news sites seem to recycle old articles)

Mountain Man06 January 2007, 01:02

Today I received a report from central Louisiana regarding three deaths from hemorrhagic pneumonia that started out as flu then rapidly progressed to a strep pneumonia. Don”t know how many are ill there,but all three fatalities were less than 19 yrs of age.None had the regular flu shots.All personnel in hospitals in central La. are reportedly wearing masks at all times.Are preppers in La aware of this info???

Mountain Man06 January 2007, 01:05

I meant to say all personnel in emergency rooms are wearing masks. Thanks MM

christian?06 January 2007, 09:48

What kind of a report? Is there anything in the local media about these cases?

daddy06 January 2007, 09:56

can anyone confirm any thing about these cases.

Mountain Man06 January 2007, 11:47

Receieved the info from a family member in Alex-Pineville.A pediatrician reported the info as my grand son was getting care(not for flu etc.).The report is accurate IMO.CDC linked complications to those not having receieved their regular flu shot.Headline on the paper there yet to pick up the story.

Spirit in the Wind?06 January 2007, 14:17

hemorrhagic pneumonia manifested in the 1918 pandemic. The deaths in Brazil in June were attributed to this as well.

diana?06 January 2007, 14:46

So this years flu shot is effective in part.

diana?06 January 2007, 15:44

If anyone hasn’t had their flu shot and wants one the CVS Minute Clinic in that drug chain has the vaccine. Their hours are long, the wait is non -existant. They take the information, give the shot, you wait a bit to make sure you have no reaction, and out you go. Since it is a nasty type A virus, you might think about it.

WildBill?07 January 2007, 13:50

I live in SWLA, Havn’t heard anything unusual But I did a search of the Towntalk news paper in Alex. I found this article… Sorry but I don’t know how to do the tinyurl thing… http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007701050324 … It says nothing to worry about… BUT.. Read the responses to the article

NJKME?07 January 2007, 14:16

Thanks WildBill and yes the responses were most interesting. I assume from the language used that the second poster was a Health Care Worker as well. Raising my eyebrows here.

diana?10 January 2007, 13:15

If anyone is currently in the grip of the noro-virus that seems to be going round and round. Try apple cider vinegar in apple juice or grape fruit juice. Try googling into the Earth Clinic, folk remedies and holistic cures. Might give you some relief.

the day after tomorrow?10 January 2007, 21:09

I had heard that researchers at Seoul National University had discovered that Kimchi (fermented cabbage) had positive results in treating bird flu. So I thought well surely not only Kimchi would work perhaps other fermented foods would work too. Maybe they could work better and maybe there would be something more widely available.

     Here is an exert from http://www.omogari.biz/kimchi.html 

Lactic acid bacteria isolated from kimchi have antimicrobial activity against unfavorable microorganisms such as E. coli, Staphylococus aureus, Bacillus cereus, etc. In addition to this, it was reported that major lactic acid bacteria such as Leuconostoc mesenteroides, Lactobacillus brevis, L. fermentum, and L. plantarum in kimchi suppressed the mutagenicity of certain kinds of mutagens 4-NQC, MelQ and Trp-P2. In some experiments, Mouse which was fed by L. plantarum isolated from kimchi showed also immunostimulation effect. The active factors were presumed to be the cell wall constituents of microorganism. Moreover, it was reported that factors in fermented cabbage of kimchi inhibit the synthesis of enzyme, which mediate the conversion of procarcinogens to proximal carcinogens involved in colon cancer.

The Korean team had speculated that it was the L.Platarium that was chiefly responsible for the recovery. (Which has a probiotic effect and increases the body’s immune response as at least 70% of the body’s immune system resides in the intestines) However this strain was the least prolific; however this same strain is the most prolific in Organic Apple Cider Vinegar, another naturally fermented food.

sidescroll alert-cottontop?10 January 2007, 21:13

sidescroll alert- cottontop

diana?11 January 2007, 11:02

Thanks day after tomorrow. I think I prefer organic Apple Cider over Kimchi. Last year I was into sauerkraut and red cabbage, but I never made it to the Asian market that sold kimchi. Am drinking the organic Apple vinegar twice a day in Apple cider. Odd, but not unpleasant. Will start adding it to my salads.

LA Escapee?11 January 2007, 11:50

How long is organic apple cider vinegar good after you open it? This is the one with the “mother” in it. TIA.

LA Escapee?11 January 2007, 11:50

How long is organic apple cider vinegar good after you open it? This is the one with the “mother” in it. TIA.

diana?11 January 2007, 12:22

I can’t say. I know my mother used to keep a gallon of vinegar next to her large tin of flour (she made her own noodles).I often saw the mother floating around in it like a small casper the friendly ghost. Buy small bottles. I’m going to keep mine on the porch to keep it cool I think it is a valuable addition to your anti-viral arsenal. Any thing that gives you an edge is worth having. Buy small bottles that you can keep unopened.

NauticalMan11 January 2007, 12:30

Old Italians used to drink a little vinegar every day. Many of them lived to be very old, vinegar consumption or genes? Have tried taking about a tablespoon of balsamic vinegar in a shot glass and sipping it, tastes very nice actually, sort of like an aged whiskey. Hmmm, shall I put some vinegar in my stores? Supposedly a lot of health benefits to various types of vinegar. Any one heard of this before?

And so this is probably my last post here on old yeller… Be sad to see it go. See you all at the new forum.

diana?11 January 2007, 12:50

Saw the comet last nite. It will be brightest on the 14th, but since I’ve spotted it, I won’t bother looking for it again. the We are in for something very life altering, but I don’t think it is the H5N1.Will have to check out what Bush said last nite. I never watch.

diana?11 January 2007, 13:10

Anyone who wants to see Comet McNaught. Look to the western sky at sunset. Its all a comet should be. Quite beautiful and visable to the naked eye. Saw it as I was driving, and hadn’t even been thinking about it or trying to spot it. It was there, and I gasped a little.

Mr Sarcasm?11 January 2007, 14:05

Notice: This is the start of a rumor. These things did happen. None of this is connected to bird flu. None.

This is my last post under this nom de plume.

Good luck everyone on the other side.

Any by the way, did you hear the rumor about….

Anyway, we have nothing to fear, but fear itself. Examine every rumor, track down every lead, and one day, you may find, truth. The question is, which journey are you more interested in? The one one that ends in the evaporation of the substance of the fear? Or the one that ends in the solidification of that which you fear the most?

diana?11 January 2007, 17:23

Ah, such clear thinking.. I could never stick to one idea per thread. I wander, I digress, I use non sequitors, I say what I want to without regard to internet etiquette or sticking to the proper thread. This is why blogs don’t suit me, why I won’t jump over to the new wiki.. It isn’t as free form as the old wiki….Nostradamus has some interesting predictions about these comets… We will have to wait and see. As far as the use of organic unpasturized apple cider vinegar.. against noro viruses, Not a rumor, just folk medicine. I didn’t want to start up any new threads as this wiki is closing shop. It had a fine run in its free form. The only kind someone like myself finds unconstraining.

Jane?11 January 2007, 19:58

There’s a Community thread (diary) on the new place for miscellaneous ideas. Some others have digressions, too. There’s a pandemic dream thread, too. Please come join us…you bring a new perspective, and I’d miss you if you stayed away.

This forum is now read-only with the exception of three threads. The new Flu Wiki Forum is here

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