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Sailor31 December 2006, 12:06

Just watched the Movie by former Vice President Al Gore titled “An Incovenient Truth”. He touched lightly on Avian Flue but what that I found interesting was that the film tied a bunch of lose ends together for me. There have been articals lately that have speculated that the melting ice caps may be releasing long dormant viruses from our past.

The movie speculates on where the new viruses such as SAR’s etc are originating from.

I am starting to wonder if may be we are instigating our own demise as a race and possibly Revelations in the Bible may have some predictive values after all.

I would recomend that any one who has not seen this movie should do so as it is a great thought provoking Movie.

As recomended in the Movie there are things we as individuals can do to slow or even reverse this process. If we do not we may have a lot more to be concerned about than just H5N1.

I am curious what other people’s thoughts are after they have watched the movie?

kychas?31 December 2006, 14:48

do a search on “little ice age” and read how it happened before the SUV. We are just getting off of the cold cycle and hit the top of the hot (we hope) and it will start again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

Sailor31 December 2006, 20:08

kychas? — 31 December 2006, 14:48

Excellent Site: Thank you for the Information. When I had watched the movie “The Day After Tommorow” I had no idea that it was based on a LOT of scientific facts.

cottontop?31 December 2006, 20:31

The Day After Tomorrow is an excellant movie. Alot of food for thought. I didn’t know it was based on any scientific facts, and if these facts are anywhere near being accurate, mankind is in for it.

On the fence and leaning?31 December 2006, 23:29

The movie was inspired by The Coming Global Superstorm, a book written by Art Bell & Whitley Strieber. Pretty good book.

cottontop?31 December 2006, 23:37

On the fence and leaning- I read that. Great book. Hubby is absolutely convinced that mankind is in for a huge catastrophe, mainly with our seasons. He believes we are already seeing it.

Greenmom?01 January 2007, 11:08

My dh and I are also convinced that we are heading for a huge catastrophe-I just think that pan-flu will have a larger immediate effect. The news this week of the polar ice shelf breaking free has been particularly disturbing.

Sailor-Ive no doubt that we are instigating our own demise. I’m not sure how you think Revelations fits in here, maybe just general apocalyptic doom? That book is way too cryptic for me to get a handle on. But yes, I agree, I would strongly recommend everyone watch “An Inconvient Truth.”

Side Scroll?01 January 2007, 12:01

Mods Please help

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Cinda01 January 2007, 12:11

Isn’t it interesting that so many of us have that feeling bout’ A huge catastrophe’ heading our way? My husband supports my prepping and concedes that AI is a probable candidate for the next pandemic- but he feels there is something more- I don’t think worse is the right word and he can’t articulate the feeling (which is what really concerns me as he’s not one to display much precognition)Whatever the ‘more’ is-he’s trying to get ready for it. I have to agree that the seasons are flowing oddly the past 3 years or so.

Side Scroll?01 January 2007, 12:18

Bump

NW?01 January 2007, 13:06

“I am starting to wonder if may be we are instigating our own demise as a race and possibly Revelations in the Bible may have some predictive values after all.”

The answer to your first question is yes – but not because of “natural” pandemic flu or global warming. We are an extremely violent species who never possessed nuclear and genetic technology until recently or we would have been gone long ago. The answer to your second question is no. All religions talk about the end of the world, not just the bible. The “end of the world” is a symbol for our own personal deaths which we constantly deny but can seem to acknowledge as a universal event.

By the way, I sold my SUV because the gas mileage sucked not because of global warming. I think we give ourselves way too much credit as a species in thinking our influence is greater than massive solar cycles and other natural processes which have obviously been extent way before the HUMMER came along. It falls under the same classification of reasoning as when we thought the earth was the center of the universe. Sorry, Al, but we’re really just not that important.

I’m-workin’-on-it01 January 2007, 13:26

Sailor, I don’t give a lot of thought to Gore’s movie, read State of Fear by Michael Crichton — it’s a lot more factual & is footnoted if you want to check references.

There’s so much people don’t know about what they’re being told & how it’s not being told to you in connection with other things so that you have factual perspective. Just read the book, then any time you hear the words global warming you’ll have an ah-ha moment. Kychas is right about the ice age patterns — just don’t believe everything someone tells you without a little research—here’s a little tidbit….if all the icebergs melted the sea level is likely to go DOWN, not up. Think about ice, when it freezes it expands so it takes up more room—we’re applying that principle in on Fluwikie to water storage in cold weather climate & adding partially filled plastic liter bottles to the surface to keep ice from expanding enough to split your barrel or pool or whatever you’re using for storage. (the ice will displace water enough to keep the ice from damaging your container. Frozen you have issues, with ice melted it doesn’t take up as much room, so less water is displaced. Same with icebergs — they’re bigger when they’re frozen than if they were melted. Less doesn’t ever equal more, so sea levels couldn’t rise unless we had a century of rain dumped on us all in one afternoon. Just do some reading before you swallow Gore’s message.

Minnesota_Scientist?01 January 2007, 14:48

I’m-workin’

Put a couple of ice cubes in a glass, add water till they float, and keep adding water till it’s at the rim of the glass. When the ice melts, the water level will remain the same.

Now try it again, this time stacking ice cubes into the glass until it’s completely full, then stacking more ice cubes on top. Put it in the freezer for a while, then stack a few more on top. Now fill the glass with water till it’s at the rim. This time, when the ice melts the glass will overflow.

Icebergs are floating in the ocean, and their melting won’t change the level. Glaciers on land, like Antarctica or Greenland, are above the current ocean level. When they melt, the ocean level will rise.

DemFromCT01 January 2007, 21:27

Minnesota_Scientist has it right. And Crichton does not.

Jefiner02 January 2007, 08:09

“An Inconvenient Truth” is a Hollywood entertainment product, as was “Faherenheit 911″, “Gone With The Wind” or “Birth of a Nation”, all of which purport to present “facts”. Do your own research then make up your mind. Just because we “saw it on TV” does not make it so. Film makers have their own agendas.

Now that movie “Supersize Me”--now that’s the Truth! (jk!)

Anon_451?02 January 2007, 12:08

Global warming is happening, if it is man made or not is not important. We are helping it along. The answer to both Global Warming and Peak Oil is the same. We, the world, need to put as much oil behind us as possible. Wind Turbines along shore lines, Rivers and Lakes would be a start, Solar panels on every house and or building would help. Conversion to Fuel Cell (Hydrogen split from water not gas, wind turbines to provide the power and oceans and rivers to provide the water) would solve transportation problems. Corn and/or sugar based fuels to replace gas. Nuclear power and if possible wave and thermal energy would all help.

Will we do it? NO!! Why, because the big oil companies want to make as much money off of oil as they can and the heck with the future.

Anon_451?02 January 2007, 12:16

Now don’t get me started on environmental groups, as most of them would fight you on every one of the above recommendations to convert from oil to renewable sources of energy. Some of those clowns even hope that a Pandemic happens that wipes out most if not all of the human species.

In short nothing will get done because no one will fight the fights that have to be fought and in the end we will all pay the price.

Oil in my Lamp?02 January 2007, 13:05

Yay, for ‘Im-workin’-on-it’! You are very brave to speak up and ‘go against the flow’ of this thread. “State of Fear” by Michael Chrichton is an excellent read. The cry of ‘global warming’ has become a lucrative industry and a religion for its adherents.

Everyone has their own particular sources they like to quote. I find it interesting that way back in time, as recorded in Genesis, God instructed mankind to ‘go forth and multiply’. Nowhere did he remind them not to pollute. For the record, let me state, I am NOT in favor of abusing the earth. We were given stewardship and dominion over creation and that necessitates diligence and wise use.

The truth is, this world is going to pass away. Every person on earth will someday pass away. That doesn’t mean we should hasten the day. Neither does it mean we should fixate on the end and miss out on the excellence of life until that point.

Borrowing trouble from tomorrow, obscures the goodness of today. If each one of us finishes the day, having done the very best we can do, in our relationship with God and man, then our tomorrow shouldn’t be any harder to manage.

I have been a prepper for quite some time. I’m getting a little tired of the cases of canned goods, taking over my bedroom, 24 packs of Ozarka, stacked like a divided Red Sea. After years, of thinking of what I can do in the event of a cataclysmic event, I have come to realize most of us wouldn’t last very long. Still, I plod along, taking measures to assuage potential hardship.

My canned goods have an expiration date. The water, because of the containers, has an expiration date on it. We as people have expiration dates. This world has an expiration date. As we prep for a possiblity some feel is imminent, we must make sure our prepartions are in place for what will surely come to pass. We may escape the scourge of Avian Influenza. Home land Security may stave off the next terrorist attacks and avert a dirty bomb. The next big earthqake may rattle harmlessly in the desert. We might never have to use our stores of preps for anything worse than unexpected company. But there is an event that nobody can get around. There are two appointments all mankind will keep…. death and judgement and that’s where the true prepartion comes into play, preparing for eternity!

SideScroll?02 January 2007, 13:34

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DemFromCT02 January 2007, 14:01

straying off-topic

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