http://www.fluwikie2.com/index.php?n=Forum.ShelterInPlace
That’s the link to the last thread we had on this topic. It’s a worthwhile discussion that should be available to us from the beginning so feel free to review the posts from the above link & also to add your opinions and comments here about what you’re doing to provide a save shelter inside your home, apartment, condo, etc. for you and your family including your pets.
So if you’re planning on staying inside while each wave of a pandemic flu passes through your area of the country, what are the most important things to keep on hand? Obviously food and water and medical supplies for each family member for whatever length of time you’re planning on remaining inside.
I’ve got food for probably 3 months for 2 of us and our pets right now. I’m working on more. If we stretched what we had, we could go much longer…..but trying to get my husband to eat less, well, I’m not sure I want to be around to see that! :-)
If he doesn’t have dessert, he breaks out in a cold sweat!
We have lots of oatmeal, rice, pasta, sauces, gravies, canned meats, etc.
I’ve spent a great deal of money (after spending a great deal of time researching) alt power, lighting, etc. and one day it occured to me that I was putting a lot toward something that I wouldn’t need a LOT of, compared to food, water, etc. Most of the rooms in my house get some sort of natural lighting so at least during the daytime, we’d have enough light to see with without stumbling over something and breaking our necks. Only when it was nighttime and I wasn’t through with my day’s work would I need to use additional power or resource of some sort for lighting. Maybe I should invest in more Fritos since in an emergency they will burn like a candle — but unlike a candle they can be eaten also!
Who else is planning on staying inside for any length of time?
I am working on my SIP project. What I need to figure out is how to attach hand pump to my well but also keep the electric pump on now. I store water in the basement but once I cover this well issue I will feel alot better and have all the water covered. 2 weeks now I have stared at my new dehydrator on the counter and haven’t been brave enough to try. I even bought some apples 1 week ago. Thought those would be easy to start with.
Country Girl, I started with onion — got it all set up on the counter, turned that rascal on and 2 hours later I had to move it to the porch because it was stinking up the house so badly!
On another forum, I responded recently to someone who ‘thought’ she had the water thing thought out & found out that she had a problem & not nearly enough water. I threw out some ideas for more water storage areas & methods, but event though she felt she had some answers to work toward, it made me realize how always vunerable we are to our water situations & how so many things can go wrong. If you broke your arm or leg could you still operate your pumps by yourself, could you (in my case) still haul water uphill from a lake-assuming I could get water OUT of the lake in the first place), etc. Water has got to be the hardest prep to make considerations for without making ourselves feel like we’re living at the bottom of a swimming pool for all the water containers we’re having to step over.
Is someone helping you with your pump plans or are you doing it all on your own? I wish I knew more about wells….but I’ve never been around them.
My dh will help by paying the $$$ for it and our buddy who does this for a living will install it. My job is the resaerch and purchasing. My dh has no time or interest in this part. If I tell him we need it and it is a good idea he will go along with it. Funny story. DH isn’t to into prepping for SIP. I think he just doesn’t want to believe things could get that bad. We were grocery shopping on the week end and tuna was on sale so I bought 15 while doing the mental inventory and math of meals per week in my head. Dh said “Do you really need that many?” I said yes I do. As we walked away he said “I won’t be laughing if something happens and you end up trading those for gas or stuff we need.” WOW. That is the first time I saw a flicker of acknowledgment that what I was doing may be necessary someday. Back to the water, we have a pool full of water. The farm is run off the well. I have DH, wheel barrel, horses to help transport water if necessary. I just have to set up to get the water out of the ground when there is no electricity.
Country Girl? — 05 December 2006, 10:15
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Girl, it sounds like you’re doing a GREAT job of getting your plans in place! And you’re soooo right — when that light clicks on it’s a beautiful thing to see in your spouse’s face. Only problem is with mine, someone comes along and turns the light out with a single cynical remark or a laugh.
Our kids, (8 including their spouses and the grandbabies) know that they will be coming to our place (log house in the mountains) when the pandemic hits. Theoretically I think we can do it and I have the food & water issues pretty well taken care of. One of my concerns is having 10 people stuck in a medium-sized house for several months at a time without wanting to strangle each other!!
Sailor. I’ll campare that with my other research/prices and get back to you and everyone else here. I’m WOI. Another thing I’m not sure where to start on is Px drugs. Antibiotics. My doctor is so uptight I can’t get birthcontrol out of her. I also don’t know anything about diagnosis or types of antibio’s. This is my Akillies Heel. Even if I knew how would I get them?
I already have 6 months preps for 15 people, working on a year. The projections are that the pandemic will peak at about 3 months and burn out in 6. You could have additional waves. I would not want to have to resupply at 3 months when it’s at its peak.
UTmom — 05 December 2006, 11:22
Bunk houses or RV’s sound like a answer I have been thinking of useing in my own case so every one gets their own space.
I’m-workin’-on-it,
“If he doesn’t have dessert, he breaks out in a cold sweat!”
LOL - I’m workin’ on that for sure - I’ve prepped all kinds of sweeteners, baking supplies, hard candy, chocolate. However, I was told by a family physician that sugar weakens the immune system :-(
Country Girl,
That “flicker of acknowledgment” is a sight to behold, huh ;-)
UTMom, how long will it take for your family to get to you and what is their signal the time has come?
I keep saying I have 3 months, but I know I have more if we have to stretch it out, just not ‘balanced perfectly’ meals for that long. Food fatigue would probably be an issue at my house eventually. I certainly don’t want to be out inbetween waves trying to purchase basics either, Oremus, so I keep shoving stuff under furniture & in drawers, and under the Christmas tree! :-)
Just last night we developed a leak in our waterline to the cul-de-sac we live on. I’m fine - of course I have emergency water - what I don’t have is neighbors who have enough water, or who have enough sense to know that when the water goes out “washing their hair” is NOT what they should be concerned with…..go figure.
I’ve been prepping for months and have much food/supplies stored, but I’m really beginning to worry about heating. Doesn’t seem to be much unless you spend lots of money. I’d love to get a wood stove, but the cost is prohibitive. Every time I read about solar heat, it goes “over my head.” Got buddy heaters and some propane, but how long will that last? Any suggestions?
MaryRose
Brand new woodstoves are truely expensive, but used stove, especially if they need work are cheap. We bought one that was a rusted mess for $40, but alittle elbow grease, and a 7$ can of hightemp paint and we have a second stove on the main floor. (our main woodstove is in the basement). These BTW are woodstove inserts for fitting into an existing fireplace. We rarly use the second stove, the first heats our 3000 sqft house (spread over 3 levels) just fine.
If you have an existing fireplace already, I strongly suggest looking in the paper for a used woodstove insert, and “putting the word out” with friends and family that you are looking for one, could prove fruitful too.
I’m WOI - What sort of things do your neighbors say to you right now. Do they know you have fresh water? I am really worried about my DH friends. They all are hunters and have the security thing covered but I have only talked to one (with useful skills to contribute of course). He and his wife will come to us if need be. He has the SIP in his viens but not for a pandemic for some civil war or something. I tried to explain to him my reasoning to no avail but at least I talked to my first groupie and it went fairly well. I’m afraid of trying to talk to someone - them not interested - then something happens and they remember our conversation and show up with nothing to contribute but hunger and flu.
Country Girl, for birth control, a diaphragm and a gel with nonoxynol 9 doesn’t require a prescription (after you get the diaphragm, I mean). The gel is over-the-counter and the other lasts a long time.
What’s WOI?
You explained my fears exactly-neighbors who aren’t interested until too late, then they remember me. So I’ve only talked to 2 (one time only)-don’t think they’re prepping.
JANE - sorry Birthcontrol thing was supposed to be sarcastic, meaning my doctor would never write me extra Px’s for reserve meds. I’m (WOI)Working on it. The other person I’ve been talking to here. Sorry I’m really new at this site. No one I know is prepping or if they are they are not talking about it. It’s a catch 22. You could be darned if you do and darned if you don’t.
CountryGirl - Re reserve meds. Simply take out 10% of pills from your refilled Pxs each time, and/or pay out of pocket if they are inexpensive generics. Doing this I have accumulated at least six month of Px meds easily. Took a while but it works. The other Px meds such as those recommended by Dr. Woodson in his guides/books are a little more difficult. Antivirals and antibiotics can be obtained online from what appear to be reliable sources. Old threads on this exist. Never have been able to procure Woodson’s recs on painkillers and that, but still in the back of my mind to keep trying.
Dr. Woodson’s website, http://www.birdflumanual has many articles on trying to get your physician to prescribe these. My doctor is useless in that regard despite our long term relationship. Good luck..
Thanks NauticaMan.
hi one thing i wanted to ask sorry if it sounds stupid but i am new to this so im not sure,here goes if we stay inside during the pandemic will it still be ok to go out onto the garden or will the virus be in the air,or do you need to be near an infected person to catch it.??
NauticalMan@14:35
Not everyone can skip doses of their meds, which is what you’re recommending that they do in order to build up a supply. Some meds, like oral meds for diabetics or for hypertension, absolutely must be taken as prescribed. I do think there are some meds that it’s okay to save up as you suggest, but I don’t think everyone knows which it would be okay to skip and which might cause them problems.
daddy, infected people shed virus, so if nobody’s been sneezing on or touching your stuff, I’d think your garden would be okay. Pets probably can catch it, though, so I hope animals don’t wander through the yard. (Cats and dogs, ferrets and tigers-don’t know about squirrels)
Clawdia - Am not recommending that anyone skip any meds to accumulate extra, but all insurance plans will let you renew a prescription before you are down to the last pill. Someone once posted that info and I tried it, took out ten percent of the pills from each refill. Apparently they do not keep track of total pills from the last refill once you renew. Never had a problem more than once or twice and even then only had to use up two or three from the old refill. Try it, it works!
thanks NauticalMan for that! ;-) I’ll try it too!
Maryrose,
Vogelzang makes a simple wood stove that is about $200 and is widely available. Takes 27″ wood. Depending on your areas climate it will heat well.
I have been prepping for a short time now(about 6 weeks)…I have accumulated enough can goods, rice, flour, biscuit mix, pasta and powered eggs to hold two of us for at least 3 months…maybe more if we stretch it. I get the feeling those of us who SIP will all lose a little weight..LOL
I am still experimenting with the powdered eggs, today I added some to my chicken soup broth. It actually made it taste good, and added extra protein. Several of you have given me some ideas to help them be more pallitable. Thanks.
One think my little desert flower and I will be doing is SIP and could do that for two years. Has been a long range project and still adding here and there, but basically we will shut and lock the chain link fence on our 2 acre place, and hunker down. Luckily some neighbors, who have also been studying the avian flu and possible pandemic are also planning the same thing. But just in case I have put extra bags of beans away if some did not plan as well as we did. I was involved in the fire service for about 30 years and have seen when people don’t plan ahead over and over and I did not want to be in that group. We will have water, food, garden, heat, getting medications ahead, etc, and currently giving out information to those close family members that we feel will respond. We even have a seperate building just in case someone comes after the pandemic starts, they can stay in there and keep warm etc for a 2 weeks etc. But planning takes time and of course money. More people should do it and if they had the situation in New Orleans would not have been so bad.
Well, if I was ever worried about my neighbors showing up wanting water, it won’t be on the first day the water is out….my husband is the Pres of our condo association & our water went to low pressure night before last & was low yesterday AM — then when the repair people came out they shut the water off for several hours to do repair….Years ago we would have had several people call the house to find out what was going on, but yesterday we only had one call & that was from a friend of mine calling to let us know her & her neighbor’s water was low pressure & to find out if ours was as well. That was the ONLY call we got the entire day — that means that everyone else figured out to call the management office to report the problem!
Meantime, the one lady that called here was concerned about not being able to “wash her hair”. I’m thinking to myself, you need to be concerned about whether you can FLUSH YOUR TOILET instead of worrying about your hair.
I had to leave for several hours, but she called again when she got home to see what the problem was (by then the water was back on) and I told her that we didn’t know (the mgt. company had not called to report to my husband what had happened), but that the problem was solved as far as I knew.
So I know that at least 2 of my neighbors don’t have water in their houses,and can bet that the rest don’t, but I can also guess that most of them are gone most of the day and probably didn’t even know we had a problem — except for the fella with a newly dug hole in his yard where they had to dig for the pipe repair! So I guess I won’t have to worry for at least a day and half or two days before neighbors come to me to see if I have water — that’ll give me time to load my gun! :-) Just kidding.
Jane, did you figure out that WOI was short for my nickname here? (Workin’OnIt)….
I just scanned through this thread tonight — just got back online after a busy night last night & being off all day today.
I purchased 2 cheap little pantry storage cabinets that I had to rush to put together before I left yesterday to get them out of the floor before today, but it’ll be tomorrow before I can go back & do anything with them…..I have a fairly big pantry upstairs in our attic, but it’s not the easiest thing to get to at times, so I wanted these 2 cabinets to go inside a closet so I could put both frequently used stuff & heavy cans that don’t stack well, in. I’ll have to support the shelves to keep them from bending in the middle under the weight, but they’ll relieve some of the frustration of having ALL my diced tomato/pasta sauces/pastes, etc. upstairs & having to go up there to get some down several times a week….I never knew I used so much tomato product.
Anyway, putting my cabinets together was my prep for yesterday. Today was coping with my day while enduring a mild migrane headache triggered by some meds I’d taken for a bum knee. Can’t win for losing sometimes!
Just unpacked $340 of herbs, spices, sprouting seeds and some other medicinals. Now I need even more mason jars to put them in… Next I would really like a wood cookstove. We heat with wood, and always keep a 3 gallon pot on it for hot water since our on-demand propane hot water heater never has worked that well and in the winter the water isn’t very hot. I used to use it for bucket baths before the hot water heater.
One thing we learned this year is that “junk” wood heats up just fine. We were late collecting firewood this year and we just gathered stuff most people wouldn’t use - partly rotten oak, small pieces, etc. Burns fine.
Years ago when I was really dirt poor I collected little pieces of wood at a truss place and heated up with them. Worked.
Country Girl: You can try something really sinple and fairly cheap to get a start on dehydrating - frozen corn and frozen green beans. I use french cut green beans because they dry fastest. Both can be put directly in the dehydrator while still frozen, and only take a short time to dry completely. I bought a lot of these on sale, then dried them and put them into 1/2 gallon canning jars for storage. Another thing that works really well as a novice is carrots. Use a shredder, then put the shreds in a steamer basket or the microwave for a minute to blanch before drying them.
Some fresh things like onions and celery do not need blanching before you dry them, so they are easy to do too. Remember that the smaller the pieces, the faster they will dry out. Be brave, it really does get easier with practice. ^_^
And as to saving Rx meds, most insurance companies allow you to refill after 75% of the meds are done. What I do is take out 1 week from each 30 day refill for saving. I save the new stuff, and use the old so they never get out of date. Everything I have saved is only a month or so old because of this, so I know it will last a long time. I use a pencil to write exactly how many are in the bottles I have saved, so I can erase and update the number easily when I add more to it. It really doesn’t take too long to accumulate a decent supply, so get started now!
Another thing you can do is ask your doc for generic versions in your prescribed meds. Say you are on a tight budget, and want to save as much money as possible. My doc recently changed one of my meds from a very expensive name brand to a generic version that actually works better for me than the expensive version. And the generic version costs $7 USD for 100 pills, even without insurance, which made it a much better choice in both ways.
And remember that Costco charges the least co-pay on most meds (see their website) & WalMart started charging only $4, which I think cones close to Costco’s price.
Thanks Deborah & Working on it. I will get brave and this week end “Dehydrate”. I’m up in Onatrio and we got our first huge snow today. Makes the SIP in me act up. Got all the store flyers today and I’m flipping through them like crazy looking for whats on sale and if its on my list. I’ve just started baking for the first time in my life. 30 yrs old no kids. I am a master of cornbread but this week end I’m going to attempt bread. Very nervous.
Try this one!
Amish White Bread
“This recipe will give you two loaves of plain, sweet white bread that are quick and easy to make.”
INGREDIENTS: 2 cups warm water (110 degrees F/45 degrees C) 2/3 cup white sugar 1 1/2 tablespoons active dry yeast 1 1/2 teaspoons salt 1/4 cup vegetable oil 6 cups bread flour
DIRECTIONS: In a large bowl, dissolve the sugar in warm water, and then stir in yeast. Allow to proof until yeast resembles a creamy foam. Mix salt and oil into the yeast. Mix in flour one cup at a time. Knead dough on a lightly floured surface until smooth. Place in a well oiled bowl, and turn dough to coat. Cover with a damp cloth. Allow to rise until doubled in bulk, about 1 hour. Punch dough down. Knead for a few minutes, and divide in half. Shape into loaves, and place into two well oiled 9×5 inch loaf pans. Allow to rise for 30 minutes, or until dough has risen 1 inch above pans. Bake at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 30 minutes.
Working on It - That looks great. I printed it off and I’ll try this one for my first bread ever. I bought some books a while ago and they all seem a little complicated but this receipe seems very easy thanks.
Bread is easy. But, be warned. Real bread is addictive.:-)
CG, that’s what I thought too so I copied it, and I’ll try it if you will! Bet as we master it we can season it with different flavors.
No one has mentioned fire fighting equipment such as fire extinguishers and smoke detectors. I just purchased another large extinguisher today at wallyworld ($25). Don’t forget that if your house catches on fire, you are on your own and you could possibly lose everything including shelter from cold weather.
Please do not forget to pick up multiple fire extinguishers in order to put at least one in every room or several in a central hallway. You do not want to have to hunt for one if you need it. Once the fire gets going your house is gone and all of your preps with it.
OddThomas You are correct. I have a halon ‘stinguisher in each of my vehicles (truck, car, tractor, and atv’s). Also have one each in the shop, basement, kitchen, and bedrooms. Plus smoke alarms in each room - connected to a national central alarm monitoring center (probably will be of little use during a full blown pandemic, however). In addition, I installed a dedicated water line in the laundry room (easy to do), complete with its own shut off valve. A 200′ garden hose on a reel will reach any room in the house. For the exterior, I am installing a 5,000 gallon below ground water storage tank. Already coordinated with the fire marshall. The tank serves three purposes: (1) provides potable water from my well, (2) provides a source of water for fighting fires via electric (primary) or gasoline powered pump (secondary), and (3) provides a source of water for the fire department to connect and fill their pumper fire engines. They are belly, belly happy that I am doing this. Me too. It would be a shame to spend all the time and money on preps and then wind up being a crispy critter.
OddThomas and Surfer, If you live in an area subject to wildfires, you might want to consider purchasing some Barricade Gel or AFFF Foam, as well. For more info, see the California thread at the new Flu Wiki forum. Bird Guano, who is a wildland firefighter, provided some good tips in that thread.
Okapi Thanks. Visited the new wiki site and saw BG’s post re fires, foam, and gels. However, don’t know how to make the purchases. The fire chief and DNR (Department of Natural Resources)rep in my area - after on-site visits - suggested a 1–1/2 hose, 400′ in my particular application. I suppose I could attach a Y adapter to the outflow to accommodate both sizes. Easily done. My portable gasoline powered pump is fitted with a detachable 2″ 100′ hose and nozzle. It is a backup unit. Plop that sucker next to the creek, toss in the suction feed, and presto, fire suppression in a 100′ plus radius of the pump location. Would appreciate more info on the foam and gels.
1 1/2 inch hose is fine for combined wildland/structure protection. As long as you catch it early. You will also need a bubbler or fog nozzle.
You can buy adapters to go from the trash pump to the hose size you need.
Also get hose clamps.
Google for “fire equipment supplier” for your area to find a supplier close to you.
This stuff is HEAVY. You don’t want to pay shipping.
Barricade Gel. http://www.barricadegel.com/
You can even order it online in a sprayer that attaches to the end of your garden hose.
BG, Okapi,and Others: Thanks for the info. The outfit I’m planning on buyin the 5,000 gal underground tank from is http://www.xerxescorp.com/index.shtml. The pit is already dug (an it’s a biggin), however, could not find a contractor to install it this year. Will wait till spring, if we make it that far. I selected the 8′ diameter 5,000 gal double walled fiberglass tank. Anyone have experience with these guys? Water supply (from well) and electric power line (240v - backed up by battery bank/inverter generator/solar/hydro power)are in place. Just need to plop that sucker in place, connect, and cover with dirt. Suggestions/recommendations?
UV-C for drinking water disinfection is my only recommendation.
Surfer, could you give me an idea of the price range of the 5000 gal container you’re planning on purchasing? I was forwarding the info on to my brother who’s planning on building a home on top of a mountain in a rural area & that was the first thing he asked me when he got my email. The sales info place is closed for the evening & I thought you might be around tonight or over the weekend to help me out.
oddthomas @ 07 December 2006, 15:25
Make sure you check your new fire extinguisher. I got one from Sears and it was already off the green (for charged) so I took it back the next day. I went to the local hardware store but I checked them before I put them in my cart. I ended up buying two bigger ones, the bigger the better (as long as I can lift it) :-)
Lots of bucks, unfortunately. Don’t have that sales lit with me, since I am away from my mountain retreat. However, I plan on arriving there Sat. nite. I can check then. I can tell you it is expensive - Im guessing from recollection about $8,000 for the tank alone. Then there is the installation cost. I rented a track hoe to dig the pit (cost about $1,000 for one day), but still need a contractor with a crane to install the tank according to specs. I think that will be expensive as well. A wag for the entire system is about $16,000. I ‘spect on Monday, you can contact one of the sales reps and get a better idea on the total system cost. In the meantime, I’ll do my own follow up and let you know. Pass on to your bother that relative to the cost of a new home in the mountains, $16,000 is pretty cheap insurance to protect his house from a fire that fire trucks may not be able to instantly respond to. And, of course, lots of drinking water on hand. Oh, I have checked other sources. Steel tanks (subject to rust and corrosion) - not. Also checked into heavy vinyl units. Not. In my neck of the woods, the tank needs to be underground to avoid freezing. If’n you live in a warmer climate, the tank can be placed above ground with significant cost savings. Only problem is, it’s always there for you to see - unless you hide it behind the barn. Best wishes.
Code in our area now requires a 5,000 gallon water tank with a fire department connection on the property.
One house recently passed through probate here, and they wouldn’t issue an occupancy certificate until they put in a 5K water tank and the fire dept. connection.
So if you are building something new in the mountains, it may aleady be a NFPA requirement.
Just depends on where you live.
Re code requirement for 5,000 gal tank. Interestingly, my first CFD POC indicated that the CFD engines would not connect to the tank due to past probelms with gunk from other tanks in the district jamming up the pumping mechanism on the engine.
In essence, I was discouraged from installing the tank for FD use, but encouraged to do it for my own protection since the nearest station int this forested country is 15 miles away. However, after the chief visited my residence and saw the pit location and my plans, he thought it was a great idea.
It would seem that some sort of filtering device could be easily and inexpensively attached to the outflow of the tank to prevent gum ups in tanks that have questionalbe water purity.
One good idea that has been implemented in this rural fire district is to place standardized address stakes at each driveway so fire fightres can easily identify addresses. They are reflective, so that they can be easily seen at night on dark country roads with no street lights. White (refelctorized), about 4″ wide and 3′ tall, with the address and fire district printed vertically in red letters. The FD will produce and install them for free as long as budget allows; however, to cover expenses, they suggest a $25 donation. Happy to do so. Got mine in April.
The main driveway to my residence is about 800′ in length, and I did not have a turn around point large enough to acommodate an engine. I built one. Now the engines can come in, turn around, and connect to the tank. They can then blast water, pump water, or easily bug out if necessary.
Since a tank is not a code requirement where I live, I suggested a that a special tag be placed on any address marker that has water on-site available for pumping. That of course could be a potential trap due to empty or inoperative tanks and blocked access, but at least the FD will know what is idealistically availble. These locations should be plotted on a wall map and google earth map at the district stations, with GPS cooridinates, and a telephone contact to the property owner to verify the status of the tank. Of course, the FD should send foot scouts from the driveway entrance to the tank to ascertain its access and functionality in the event of a response to a fire.
At the risk of injuring my libertarain views, I think a code requirement for a tank in a rural setting is a good idea. After all, we have a bazillion other regs that we are ordered to comply with. Why not have one that is actually useful? Might be hard to do retroactively, however.
You can buy a bottle of 100 (30 needed per illness) amoxicillin at Agri-Meds for $18.00. No script needed. Pay no attention that they HAVE A FISH on the label. :) They are Thomas Labs clean and reliable antibiotics.
DO NOT DO THIS unless you know exactly what you are doing or are willing to learn.
Since a tank is not a code requirement where I live, I suggested a that a special tag be placed on any address marker that has water on-site available for pumping. That of course could be a potential trap due to empty or inoperative tanks and blocked access, but at least the FD will know what is idealistically availble.
We’ve never had a problem with water quality. We even pump from cattle tanks and creeks with no problem.
For the water indicator, we use a Blue “bots dot” glued to the roadway in front of the driveway to indicate a water source. Along with pre-planning and GPS of everything in our district.
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Lavender Girl, Can you please go into more detail on your comment on know what you are doing or be willing to learn.
Many prescriptions now contain information that comes with the medication that indicates when most insurance companies will cover the refill.
Count out that many pills, put the rest into your stockpile and you will be forced to renew at the earliest possible moment. Also check to see if you can use a 90-day vs 30-day supply.
Of course any advice given re obtaining prescription drugs from pet stores would be only for the purpose of using them for the pets they are intended for, right? We all love our pets and want them to have access to necessary medications even if the supply lines shut down.
But you don’t want to use more than necessary, or use them at all if they are not necessary. You don’t want to use them when they could harm your pet and you don’t want to use too much, or too little. You also don’t want to use them if your pet has certain conditions that make use of that drug dangerous. For people, much of this information is available on websites of the manufacturer of the drug and would be taken into consideration by your prescribing physician. For pets, if you need more information - consult your vet.
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I heard somewhere that the chia plant makes good nutricious sprouts high in omega oils, vitamins, and antioxidants. Since it grows extremely well and easily grown with a little bit of water, it sounds as if chia seeds would make a very good suplement to the canned, dried foods. Does anyone have any tips and ideas on how to grow this seed? I mean…do we just throw the seeds onto the rooftops and wait for a bit of moisture to sprout the stuff?
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