From Flu Wiki 2

Forum: How to Navigate the NEW Flu Wiki Forum

23 November 2006

DemFromCTat 09:54

Check the numbers:

This is a screen shot of the Main page, or the Front page (the FP). Come here to see what the community is saying. You’ll find Area Preppers, MaMa’s News thread, Lookout Posts, and topics of interest, including videos!

1. your home page. To find your own diaries, click here. And by clicking comments, you’ll see your own and if anyone has responded.
2. Above your page is the Diaries page, a title scroll just like here, but:

Below your page is New Diaries. Click there if you want to write one and jump right in! 3. This is a cool feature. Unread comments in any of the diaries are in red, so you know at a glance something new has been written.
4. If you ever get lost, click the pic and it takes you to the front page again. Did you know the pic here does, too?
5. The About box has useful things like AnnieB’s Simple HTML and gardner’s Simple HTML II. You don’t need to know HTML, but it’s how we make things green or blue there.
6. All the FP diaries have a way of seeing at a glance whethr there are new comments, and how many comments there are.
7. The subjects box is a keyword index. Hot tags, just below are added to any diary for searching and sorting. The Mods will make an important hot tag into a subject so people can find topics of interest.

More to come…

DemFromCTat 09:57

Leave comments about the New Forum here…

DemFromCTat 10:01

to illustrate how a conversation goes, come here to this diary by Northstar. Comments are nested (indented) and threaded (you can reply to a comment and it appears just under the comment, even in the middle of a long diary). If you want your comment to show up at the bottom, just ‘post a comment’ rather than ‘reply’ to some one else’s comment.

DemFromCTat 10:03

Hitting ‘parent’ takes you to the comment just above, that you replied to. If you posted a comment to the diary, there is no ‘parent’ because you were not answering anyone, you were just posting to the diary.

DemFromCTat 10:09

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NJ Jeeper – at 10:20

Dem, thanks for all your hard work in this effort. Until I get used to the new site, where can I go each morning to see the hot news and has it hit yet? I and maybe the other older harder to teach people would like to have a quick hit to see if it is time for one last run and SIP yet. Anyway thanks again, and it will be good to have a new site that is faster can handle more volume, but as many have said we gou used to old yeller and live by it every day.

Take some time away and enjoy Thanksgiving, or we will drive you bonkers.

anon_22 – at 10:27

NJ Jeeper – at 10:20

There is the daily news thread, plus any important news will be ‘promoted’ to the front page, so I would check there first.

NJ Jeeper – at 10:52

Anon, thanks that helps, but a question. Is that the main page when you click on the Swans? Or is it the news stories in the left column> They seem to be a little different.

DemFromCTat 11:14

Is that the main page when you click on the Swans?

Yes

And note this list:

we need to make a Useful Links list.

Main entrance
Preps entrance
Lookout Posts entrance
News Reports entrance
Diaries entrance
MaMa’s entrance as an example of your personal page
Index entrance

DemFromCTat 11:16

NJ Jeeper, you can use the News Reports entrance and just scroll down. ;-)

Wolf – at 11:49

Dummy, here. Can’t figure any of it out. Never got used to ‘scoop’ sites and eventually gave up any efforts to do so.

The fault is no doubt mine (that and an ancient mac on which I am unable to view much of what is mentioned)

Will continue to read, but the beauty of the previous version of fluwikiforum(and2) was simplicity and ease of access.

Seeya when I can get a new ‘puter (will be awhile, have more urgent preps to consider)

Good luck!

DemFromCTat 12:15

Wolf – at 11:49

Thanks.. it’s already getting 8,000 page views/day and it’s not really open yet. what I’d suggest for you is one of two things… go to the news entrance, or just continue here. You do not have to register to read at either this place or the new one.

But this one can’t continue as is without the other site to complement it.

Urdar-Norway – at 12:33

Dem told me to report that the forum is working well. I have established a hot debate climate allready in a flushot tread. So the fw is the way it should be :D Looking forward to see all of us there!

pogge – at 12:36

Urdar-Norway:

Thank you. Your cheque is in the mail. ;-)

Irene – at 12:54

“here. You do not have to register to read at either this place or the new one.”

I really strongly recommend registering at the new place even for those who only wish to read and not post. The reason is that you can “bookmark” specific diaries that interest you on your own personal Hot List. This makes it a lot easier to find those diaries again and any new comments to them.

InKyat 13:01

I just sent the mods a longish email with some specific suggestions. One of them dovetails with Dem’s Useful Links list :-). We just need to think about what people need to see where in order to make sense of it all. Wolf, you are not a dummy. A simple, self-explanatory user interface is a difficult thing to work out! You can help the design process by saying exactly what confuses you and exactly what it is that you are looking for that you cannot find.

Urdar-Norway – at 13:04

Dem, you seem to have the pedagogic tool of screendumps in your hand. would you take a dump ( i have a feeling I said somthing bad now..?. :-/ ) of the same tread as over, but with a flat view setting? That way folks who like the linearity of this old yellow can see that it is very similar :-)

DemFromCTat 13:25

Good idea! ROTFLMAO.

DemFromCTat 13:37

You can set your preferences (in your home page, profile, comment pref) to (flat) unthreaded to look like this Forum, last comment last or last comment first (your choice). This is newest first, like here:

The default is nested and threaded, meaning that when you reply, the comment goes where it belongs (see the red arrow):

DemFromCTat 13:40

FloridaGirl was replying to my comment, so even a day later she could speciifically answer a specific comment.

BTW, whatever is in blue is a link, so clicking on it takes you somewhere or does soemthing. Clicking on the day and time allows you to link to a specific comment, something we cannot do here.

Click me to go directly to FloridaGirl’s comment, then click ‘parent’ to see what she was answering.

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FloridaGirlat 17:50

For all of you who feel you will be unable to figure out the new site….

My recommendation: Dedicate 30 mintues to an hour to the site to just look around… Register and then fool around with your profile settings. See what they do…. Then, point and click on links…. (If it is blue, it will most likely be a link)… Click on stuff on the left hand side…. (most recent comments)… Click on the couple of boxes on the right hand side… (Complete diaries… )

I assure you, it will not take as much time as you think to figure it out.

This is coming from someone who (a couple of years ago) Asked her daughter where the on / off button was for the keyboard. If I can do it…. then you can too!!.

I have already learned how to do some basic formatting, like bolding, colors, and even how to post a picture. (Still have not figured out how to post to the web…. but, I will.)

DemfromCT, Could you please post a screen shot of the settings in their profile, so they might know where to click?

The best thing to think of is this…. Everyone has to learn… no matter what it is…. (Could be cooking, driving, any “How to”… ) They (We) all have to start somewhere. Wouldn’t you rather play and learn now? Than be alarmed about something, and trying to learn at that time?

This is my “answer” crowd. We bounce thoughts off each other all the time. I do not have time, to figure out the real story about what is going on. I want to always be informed, so I can continually adjust my personal risk assessment. Flu Wiki in all its forums helps in that area…

anonymous – at 18:51

will do, in a bit…

DemFromCTat 19:13

Oops, that was me on a borrowed computer.

DemFromCTat 21:49

This is an older screen shot of the personal page. Note up in the right, it says profile. if you click on that, you can get to Comment prefs (where you set how you want the comments to look; see above, display prefs (where you can decide how any diaries and comments are in the ‘recent’ boxes), and change your password.

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24 November 2006

MaMa- bump – at 05:04
InKyat 05:31

This thread is very helpful, and I’m beginning to feel more oriented. I was happy when I found that clicking “Diaries” under “Menu” took me not to diaries I’d created (haven’t posted any yet), but to a list of all diaries posted, with the most recently created diaries first. I especially like the short descriptions (1–3 lines seems best) that tell me more of what a diary is about.

DemFromCTat 09:01

Here’s a welcome thread that gives some of the best links and tips.

cottontop – at 09:28

Dem-

After a second attemp, I finally got the New York area preppers thread posted. Yea to me!Question-Do you highlite the state in the “area preppers” or do I?

DemFromCTat 10:50

You Add Area Preppers to the diary as a tag (or I do) and I link to the Big table.

Nimbus – at 11:00

Is there a problem with the new forum this morning? It’s loading but at the rate it’s going so far it will be another 10 minutes before the home page comes up. I’m not having problems loading other sites.

LifelongLearnerat 11:02

Yes, there is for me too. I think the problem is DemFromCT’s screen shots - how big are they?!

LifelongLearnerat 11:12

Hmm, OK, “only” 157KB, the one I was waiting for, so probably that’s not it. Oh well. Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose…

DemFromCTat 11:14

workin’ on it…

Nimbus – at 11:16

Yay!

Pixie – at 11:17

I’m having the same probelm Nimbus is with getting the new forum pages to load. Nothing will load except the home page. Just wanted to let you know of the glitch.

DemFromCTat 11:24

yeah… workin on it…;-)

anon_22 – at 11:57

seems the problem is not us http://www.soapblox.net/blog/showDiary.do?diaryId=701 Hope this fix it soon.

DemFromCTat 21:34

The new forum is up and running well, now.

Today we’ve had (so far) 850 visits and over 10,000 page views. Once the morning server issues were straightened out, we have been doing doing great!

Here is an FAQ posted by one of our community.

DemFromCTat 22:48

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25 November 2006

Texas Rose – at 00:36

“Everyone has to learn…”

Not necessarily. If you make the learning experience seem difficult, you’re going to lose people.

I’m sick with the flu so I’m probably just being grouchy(along with feeling miserable) but one of the reasons I like the simplicity of a basic bulletin board format is that I like being able to see, at a glance, all the forums available. I don’t like having to hunt for the forums or what passes for the forums. I’m not a fan of the diary format, a la Daily Kos, either.

It’s not that I’m “afraid to try new things”-which I’m sure some are thinking. Nope. It’s more that I’m familiar with that site. I’m a registered member of one other group that uses that site’s format and frankly, I seldom go there because it’s such a PITA to maneuver. Whether that’s the site or the setup of the particular board, I don’t know.

As for registering, I’m simply not interested in registering for yet another board to get extra bells and whistles on the site. I’ll pass.

But-*shrug*-that’s just my opinion. What doesn’t work for me may work wonderfully for everyone else.

I wish everyone the best of luck with the new place.

On the fence and leaning – at 00:45

Texas Rose: I am also having a hard time wrapping my mind around the thread/diary structure. I liked seeing the most recent 50 changes on top. I have already found that I am not spending half the time on FW than I used to. Maybe that’s a good thing.

galt – at 01:09

Also having a hard time with the new structure. Like Texas Rose, am finding that I am spending a lot less “wiki time.” Maybe that is a good thing…..

On the fence and leaning – at 01:27

I just posted, on here, a new thread looking for help. At this point I am too frustrated to deal with it. I liked my wiki time. It is very easy to read this set up, very linear. The new one is like a puzzle. I just want the inforation and conversation laid out where I can see it and not have to search in many different places. I see I can add favorites but I can’t even find the threads to add. Plus, once I add them, I then have to check the new threads ‘Diaries’ to see if there is something else I would like so there is more searching. MODS: PLEASE don’t take my whining personally. I am just a very technologically challenged person and I am out of my comfort zone over there. I appreciate the effort it must have taken to set it up.

AnnieBat 02:13

I appreciate that finding stuff is very confusing - I still struggle if I am away from it for a while!

These suggestions might help .. please let me know if they don’t!

One: In your Menu box (top right of the screen), the second entry is “Diaries”. If you choose this, all the diaries that are in the forum are listed, with the openeing paragraph of information - usually telling you what they are about. The list starts with the last (latest) diary created and carries on down.

Two: while you are online, each time you return to the Home Page, again on the righthand side, you have the Menu Box, followed by contacts box, then recommended diaries, then Recent Diaries . As a new Diary is created, it shows up in here, again the latest one goes at the top.

In both cases, if there are particular diaries you want to follow / visit / contribute to on a regular basis, I suggest you add them to your favourites - click the + sign by the name and they will go in your own Hot List.


I hope my answers don’t sound just like more ‘patter’ - I/we sincerely want you to enjoy your experience there. I had never entered a site like this new one before and I can assure you it took me hours of non-stop effort to ‘get my wings’. What kept me going were two key things - I wanted to continue to participate in the Wiki - I knew I couldn’t break anything!

Texas Rose – at 02:58

I *have* entered a site like the new one. I even registered for the extra perks. It didn’t make a difference. It was still a PITA to navigate amongst all the clutter on the main page and required more work than a previous site that was a breeze to navigate.

How is it an improvement when there are more hoops to jump through to get the same information that can be accessed with one or two clicks now? How is it an improvement when a site is designed seemingly for those who are adept or have a short learning curve(or the time to spend learning) and not for anyone who doesn’t fit those parameters?

I realize the new site is a done deal, regardless of my or anyone else’s opinion. I also realize that some will feel that I and anyone else with concerns should have said something earlier. That may be true but after reading previous threads on the new site, I saw that others have expressed concerns about the ease of use THEN, too.

Look. I know you guys put a lot of work into getting it up and running. I can appreciate that. I also realize that no board will suit the needs or wants of every poster and that all changes require some adaptation by all involved. But I’m starting to understand some of the frustration voiced by others in other threads on this topic. Instead of feeling like concerns are being registered, I’m feeling a tad patronized with the “try it, you’ll like it, just give it a chance” pep speeches.

If the new site is what makes the majority happy, then I will either adapt or move on.

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DemFromCTat 10:26

I also realize that no board will suit the needs or wants of every poster and that all changes require some adaptation by all involved.

That is so true. People who want a bulletin board will never be happy with the other site, that’s just the way of it - it’s not a bulletin board. But it will also be a complement to what’s here, and a lot of people will like it. It’s already getting quite a bit of usage. But the thing to do is use the site for what it is.

What people have to understand is that this site will stay. Important things will appear here. But the Forum (this site) has folks who never use the wiki (we set up the wiki, and didn’t expect that). The Forum (here) will have people who never use the new Forum (there) and we do expect that. But ‘never’ is a relative term, because the internets allow linking from place to place. We can talk here and then refer to the Indonesia thread there, then come back here.

The feedback is welcome. More than that, we hope you meet us a quarter of the way and we’ll do the rest.

DemFromCTat 10:32

Many of the early “I have a problem with” - comments, btw, have been (and will be) answered by people on the site. But for ease of use I suggest two things for those who have visited and didn’t like it:

1. Set your comments to flat unthreaded, newest first so that it most resembles here. You can always change it.

2. Consider entering the site via the Diaries view or the http://www.newfluwiki2.com/tag.do?tag=News+ReportsNews view.

Perhaps if we understood how you are using THIS site better, we can help even more. But we want to reach more people than we are. This site can not do that by itself. That’s crystal clear.

Mari – at 11:49

When you use the Search on the new forum site there is an automatic message at the bottom that says “Remember, your search word must be at least 4 characters long”. However, there are index words (tags) that are three letters that work. What about user names that are less than 4 characters - will we be able to find them using the Advanced Search option?

DemFromCTat 12:04

Yes, search for gs to see.

Mstrbubbie – at 12:05

Hi I’ve tried to open a new account on the new site.it comes up invalid name/password.Do we have to register to post???? Thank you for any help

Mari – at 12:11

DemFromCT – at 12:04 - Then when is the “must be at least 4 characters long” message correct?

DemFromCTat 12:34

Mstrbubbie – at 12:05

Do we have to register to post????

Yes.

Mari – at 12:11

‘’When when is the “must be at least 4 characters long” message correct?”

If you are searching fo a word or phrase. You can’t search for “the” or “CDC”. You can search for “the CDC”.

Mstrbubbie – at 13:27

Hi Dem, I have tried to register by trying to open a new account.Isthis the way I would or should register for the new site? If so i have tried it and it keeps telling me (invalid name/password) both my screen name and password are more then 4 digits long.Am I doing something wrong???? help if you can…… Thanks again for doing all this.

AnnieBat 13:34

Mstrbubbie at 13:27

Just click the blue link “Make a new Account” - do not try to enter anything in the logon box as it shows on the site. You will then get a page that asks you want your username to be and for your email address. That email address will be used to send you your password …

Once you have that email, you can then use the username / password / submit buttons successfully on the site.

If I have misunderstood your question please tell us ;-)

AnnieBat 13:38

And wait - there’s more ….

Once you have that email with your ‘system generated’ password and you have logged on, you can then change the password to one that you want in the Profiles section of your own ‘home’ page. Let us know if you want more information on that.

DemFromCTat 13:47

Mstrbubbie – at 13:27

Did you hit the “make a new account” link? Just follow the instructions from there.

26 November 2006

Northstar – at 14:51

Maybe it’s just my computer, but I am having trouble with the new forum today. I can’t get into anything.

DemFromCTat 15:05

I’ve been there all morning, and was just there. Are you having trouble logging on or getting to the site?

Nimbus – at 15:42

I’m getting a “connection refused” message. Was on earlier in the day with no problems.

DemFromCTat 15:46

temp systems problem, not us….

Nimbus – at 15:48

Okey doke. Off to see Happy Feet and will try again later. :)

cactus – at 15:49
 Ah HA !

 That`s why I can`t get there from here.;-)
Karina – at 15:51

Hi, I’m back over here because nothing but the home page seems to come up. Is anyone else having this problem?

DemFromCTat 16:54

system was down, now it’s back up and everything seems to be working again…

27 November 2006

LEG – at 01:35

pity you can’t tell who wrote the message until you get to the END of their post. I really like that about the current forum.

DemFromCTat 07:22

at least you know that the sig is who they say they are, when you do get there ;-)

That’s a quick adjustment as you use the site, unless someone wrote a treatise.

Love Texas – at 11:56

OK—I have looked around and I would like to play now and the new site will not let me open my account. I put in LoveTexas, and a password but not the old one because I can’t remember the old one, and it tells me invalid. Can you boys fix that??? Thanks

cottontop – at 12:06

Love Texas (so do I. am a fellow texan)

I’ll put out a call on the other forum for you. Hopefully someone will hurry over.

Love Texas – at 12:13

Cottontop—where are you in Texas, I am in North Texas

cottontop – at 12:25

Love Texas

actually I’m in new york now, but grew up in greenville. When I married I moved here. should have my head examined! You can take the Texan out of Texas, but you can’t take the texan out of the girl!!!!!

i put out the call for you on the other forum.

pogge – at 12:27

Love Texas at 11:56:

I don’t see you on the user list (with or without a space in your name) so it looks like an account was never created there. Did you try the Make A New Account link?

If all else fails, email me on the email account you want to use for this. Include your user name exactly as you want it and I’ll set the account up and email you back a password. (Or it might email you automatically. We’ll find out.)

I’ll be in and out for a bit but we’ll get it straightened out today.

DemFromCTat 14:38

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DemFromCTat 20:59

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28 November 2006

DemFromCTat 07:13

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DemFromCTat 10:50

bump… and Love Texas made it there. ;-)

I’m-workin’-on-it – at 11:13

Hooray!!

anon for this time – at 15:05

just hate the new site! why not put name of poster first for heaven’s sake and why not put most recent post first? And why in heaven’s name the narrow margins??????

Sailor – at 15:16

I have had a change of heart on the use of the new site, as I can see some advantages of having the two sites up and running at the same time. 1) the speed has increassed on the old yeller site. 2) If the SHTF it gives all of us a second option with the expected increase in use potentially blocking access to this site. I am very glad that the mods have decided to keep both systems running at the same time although I suspect that it has added to their work load and for that I would like to say thanks and keep up the good work.

DemFromCTat 16:21

anon for this time – at 15:05

because:

1. we don’t have control over each of those features 2. it’s not a bulletin board and we don’t intend it to be one 3. it’s different and has many more features than this one, some extremely useful to those doing the work of tracking, cataloguing and posting

See not only Sailor’s comments (and much appreciated!) but those of others who have gotten used to the new place DESPITE intial comments like yours, which were/are certainly shared. Some still don’t love it, but some are suprising themselves with how functional it s turning out to be.

Give it a chance. If you still hate it, come here. But don’t feel yuo have to learn everything overnight.

Thanks for commenting. If you use your real name, I won’t hold it against you. ;-)

lugon – at 16:45

anon for this time: http://newfluwiki2.com/userDiary/profile/displayPrefs.do may be part of what you’re looking for.

Personally, I’ve decided I’m not going to use many of the new features. I’ll learn as needed. It’s good to know that there are “how-tos” which I’ll use some other day.

DemFromCTat 17:46

That will especially work for comments (go to comment prefs, and you can choose flat, unthreaded and either oldest first or newest first). It will not affect actual posts of diaries/threads. They are newest first.

DemFromCT29 November 2006, 22:44

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DemFromCT30 November 2006, 10:11

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Lrod?30 November 2006, 11:13

DemFromCT—I am so frustrated, I spent at least an hour trying to register on the new site yesterday and I kept getting the runaround. It kept telling me something about needing to “enable your cookies” and not even the local computer junkies here could figure how to register. what am I doing wrong?

Lrod?30 November 2006, 11:29

Well, now I have registered 3 separate times and each time I try to log on, I get “invalid user name”. Does anyone have any suggestions?

pogge30 November 2006, 11:50

Lrod:

I just changed your password and sent an email to the address on file for your account. I tested the log in and it worked. See if that fixes you up.

bird-dog 30 November 2006, 12:50

Dem, I’m thinking of opening a Maine Preppers account/thread/tag? on the new forum but don’t understand where to start it. Do I start it in my little bird-dog area?

DemFromCT30 November 2006, 13:50

You post a diary called Maine Preppers, by clicking on New Diary in the menu Area.

After you write it, and just before you save, there’s an area for ‘tags’. In that slot put Area Preppers (or I’ll add it later).

Thanks!

bird-dog 30 November 2006, 14:32

thanks Dem!

Though this will still be my ‘home’ 51% of the time until I have to move. It’s cozier here…

Lrod?30 November 2006, 14:37

pogge----thank you so much---I finally got registered on the new fluwiki

DemFromCT30 November 2006, 15:17

Lrod, glad to have you.

bird-dog, as others have siad, give it a few hours a day and you’ll be surprised how functional it’ll become. ;-)

DemFromCT01 December 2006, 07:53

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Bronco Bonco Bill Bull the BB Bumper?01 December 2006, 12:46

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DemFromCT02 December 2006, 07:32

keep wandering over th familiarize yourself. We recommend registration to use all the navigation guides.

bgw in MT?02 December 2006, 17:36

I’m going to put this post on more than one thread in hopes different people may see it. In answer to your requests for a more linear list of threads (diaries) on the new forum, I’ve made the following diary (thread):

Collected Links to New FluWiki 2′s Topics of General Interest by: bgw in MT Sat Dec 02, 2006 at 14:12:48 PM MST

(Good for new visitors! - promoted by DemFromCT)

Many Wikians have asked for a list of topics with no extraneous text, so people can find what they are interested in without a great deal of scrolling. This is my attempt to answer this need, at least temporarily.

The creator of SoapBlox is planning to make the kind of page everyone has been asked for in the next revision. I hope this list will work as a stopgap measure.

I am a natural-born screw-up, so I’m sure there will be many mistakes. Just let me know what they are and I will try to correct them. If I have left out anything, let me know that, too. I’ll be able to maintain this list until we leave for the holidays.

As it stands, this list is not complete. These are just the topics I feel most people might be interested in, but might have difficulty in locating quickly. I have only gotten as far as part of November 25 so far. I will add more of the older topics later if this seems to be of any assistance. It would be helpful if you would let me know. Offer any suggestions you can think of to improve it.

I am going to include all topics that seem likely to be of general interest, but not such topics as lookout posts, area preppers, or newsreports,since these can be easily accessed from the subject box in the left column. I’ve also left out sandboxes. I can’t offer a list that puts itself in order of last comment or one that you can “bump” in, but perhaps the following listing will help for the present:

What follows is a long list of threads (diaries), who started the thread, the date it was started and then a link to that thread. I hope this helps ya’ll out. (See, I’m originally from Texas.)

DemFromCT02 December 2006, 18:59

Collected Links to New FluWiki 2′s Topics of General Interest

Bronco Bill03 December 2006, 13:39

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Bump - Bronco Bill?03 December 2006, 20:41

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Bump - Bronco Bill?04 December 2006, 22:04

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Clawdia?09 December 2006, 14:43

I’ve been able to use the new Wiki, I can post, I can reply to a comment. What I can’t do is achieve the ease of use that this software offers. It takes me 2–3 times as long to find anything, do anything, etc. It’s much harder for me to follow a “conversation”, although I realize the aim was to make it easier, not harder. I know the word is that this board will stay up, but I think most of us realize that the life expectancy here is limited. We are all being encouraged to go to the new format - Dr. Woodson’s post that he would only in the future post at the new forum felt a bit like an attempt to force the reluctant ones to change if they wanted continued access to his posts.

I know it’s better for a lot of people - as was said somewhere, it makes cataloging and keeping track easier - but most of us aren’t involved in “tasks” other than information gathering and sharing. For some of us, it just adds complications to what was before something quite simple.

I know that in the larger scheme of things it’ll matter not one bit to anyone if some people depart the Wiki over this issue . . . after all, there’s always somebody new come along to take the place . . . but some people will get lost in the shuffle, and we may all suffer for that loss.

Jane?09 December 2006, 17:25

Clawdia, you may already know this, but the box on the upper right can be customized to find diaries you’re following. I look at my Comments page to see if anyone answered where I’ve posted, and I have a few diaries on my hotlist. (Not enough yet; I still have to hunt around sometimes.) The best part is the red (new) indicator of what’s been posted since my last visit. That makes up for some of the frustration.

Bird Guano09 December 2006, 17:31

Unfortunate unintended consequence of a move that, IMNSHO, was not well thought out.

Like you it takes me 3 times as long to do anything productive over there, and forget about finding things after a day or two.

Gets lost in the din and I finally give up.

It’s great for people who are into style over substance, and who have a lot of free time.

Come visit us at pfiforum.com Clawdia. More of a linear BBS format.

That’s where most of the refugees ended up, and will probably be my final refuge when they shut this place down.

Dreamweaver?09 December 2006, 18:38

I also find the new forum requires too much effort to locate what I want. No longer a simple glance at the topics. It has become easier to find what I need other places.

DemFromCT09 December 2006, 18:59

We’ll do our best to keep this place going a while longer, certainly past the holidays, but there is a limited shelf life here, as we all know. There are other places out there, as BG says. We can’t be everything to everyone and don’t take an “us vs. them” attitude towards other sites.

Dreamweaver, I’m delighted there are other places that suit your needs, whatever they are. The wiki is still the hub of our project, and that’s open to everyone regardless of what board you are at.

Bird Guano09 December 2006, 19:09

So it’s now moved from Keep it open for the foreseeable future, to “limited shelf life here”.

Disappointing, but ya, I get the point that you don’t care.

I got that point a WHILE ago.

DemFromCT09 December 2006, 19:38

“forseeable future vs limited shelf life.”

That’s not a change. The limitations of this software have been repeatedly spelled out. I’m very happy with the anti-spam, but a few other features were easier to manage in the older version. That’s because this was built to be a wiki and not a forum; we just adapted it to our needs. No news there.

Bronco Bill09 December 2006, 20:27

It’s great for people who are into style over substance, and who have a lot of free time.

Or for people who are willing to try something new and will spend more than a few minutes to decide whether they don’t like something. Personally, I liked the way the “Last 50 Changes” appeared here, where all I had to do was be lazy and scan for what I wanted to read. My biggest problem here was the fact that if I wanted to find a comment someone was responding to, I had to scroll backward through a ridiculous amount of chit chat to find it…by the time I found what I was looking for, I forgot why I was there.

On the new Forum, discussions, comments, and replies fall into line directly to the original comment.

BG, you have done nothing for the past 2 weeks but complain that there is too much to learn on the new site. All you have to do, without even registering, is go to the site, look down the left side, and you’ll see, as you already know, the latest comments. Believe it or not, and I can see you don’t, we do care. But some people are much harder to please than others. As Dem said, FluWiki was not originally set up to be a discussion board, and since the Forum just sort of grew out of the wiki, people have become accustomed to it’s format. The software the THIS forum is running on is not designed to be used as such. The Soapblox software is much more suited to a discussion board…and if you’d spend a little bit of effort over there, you’d see that the difference is phenomenal…

Bronco Bill09 December 2006, 20:33

On top of all that, what exactly is your definition of the foreseeable future, if not for the short term? The foreseeable future could be anywhere between tomorrow night and the year 2057.

Ever since the Server Crash of March, there have been postings by the Mods that new software and a new format were on their way. Most all of the people who went through “the Crash” and slowdowns and shutdowns have been clammering for the new software to be brought online. You obviously haven’t had to experience the severe slowdowns when there are too many threads open, or too many people hitting this server at once.

Get over it, get on with your life, and quit bit**ing!

ANON-YYZ09 December 2006, 21:25

Old or new forum, I like the great contributors here on fluwikie. The content is full of substance, not made-up news, witch hunting, or self promotion.

When TSHTF, the new forum will more likely stay up because of a larger forum (dailykos where was it 80% of Congressional staffers go to) that also runs on the same servers. For me, another important feature is the ability to search by subject, so I don’t have to remember which threads have the answer already.

DemFromCT09 December 2006, 21:29

There is more server capacity at the new place, but Daily Kos runs their own server farm separate from us. They use the premium version of Scoop, with a lot of features we don’t have. Many have been customized just for them.

But the bottom line is that we have a better chance of staying up at the new place.

Ruth?09 December 2006, 21:39

I like both places. I am learning how to find my way around the new site. I also had alot of trouble logging on and staying on. However, the last time I finally got on (after 3 days of trying)and a new password, I just didn’t log off. It seems to be working find. Like anything else it just takes time, but I still go back and forth.

DemFromCT09 December 2006, 21:48

Thanks, Ruth.

There are some major projects going on there, chief among them the meeting in Atlanta on Monday that SusanC (anon_22) is attending. We’ve provided feedback. We’re all curious to see what comes out of that.

But the lookout posts and Indonesia monitoring are there as well. we are happiest when peole read and contribute, even with a simple comment now and again. ;-)

And there’s this…

http://www.newfluwiki2.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=420

http://www.newfluwiki2.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=436

Thordawggy?09 December 2006, 22:14

The new site is even more confusing that this one. Also, I didn’t know that it had anthting to do with that Koss site. Those people are not mentally stable. What is going on with that? This old site, while slow, is much better. But that is just my opinion of course. I just don’t want folks to get disgusted by related links. We need to get people prepared without all the political stuff. We need to save our family and friends and everyone else too.

DemFromCT09 December 2006, 22:17

There isn’t any political stuff at flu wiki, te new forum or here. The new forum just uses similar software, that’s all.

DemFromCT09 December 2006, 22:20

PS if you find THIS site confusing, I’m afraid you’re doomed, Thordawggy. ;-)

Bronco Bill09 December 2006, 22:28

Thordawggy at 22:14 --- Daily Kos and NewFluWikie2 have nothing to do with each other. At all. Whatsoever. In any way. Daily Kos is a political blog, and does lean a bit, shall we say, to the left. Way left (sorry…JMHO). But, the only comparison is that the software they use, and the software being used on NewFluWiki2 are similar in layout. That is the ONLY similarity---FluWiki is non-partison, and most of the time, non-political.

bluesfan09 December 2006, 23:46

IMO, it is tacky on the part of some mods from other forums to continually be dropping by with negative comments…a breeze-in/stir the pot/breeze-on-out, lacking in class type of behavior. I’m glad that the mods on from Fluwiki don’t engage in those type of feined ‘innocent’ tactics. It’s very annoying.

Bronco Bill10 December 2006, 00:05

bluesfan — 23:46 --- The Mods here stand on a much higher pedestal than a lot of others IMHO!

Mods—don’t let that go to yer heads now…

Clawdia?10 December 2006, 00:52

Bronco Bill

Sorry my presence was a bother - that was a snark from bluesfan directed at me and supported by you, I hope you realize.

I failed to realize there was a competition ongoing for pedestal height.

bluesfan10 December 2006, 01:02

There is no pedestal height competition…that’s the whole point that you are failing to realize. My comment was not a snark. It was an observation based on what I have observed in various forums and I stand by my comment.

If the shoe fits…

pogge10 December 2006, 01:14

There is no pedestal height competition

That’s a relief. I don’t do well with heights.

I haven’t seen anything recently from members of other boards that disturbs me. And I’m the one with the reputation for banning people when I think they’re spamming us so you can be pretty sure I’d speak up if I had.

DemFromCT10 December 2006, 11:20

Many of our posters post at multiple places. I have no complaints or concerns.

Bump - Bronco Bill?11 December 2006, 13:58

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Nanabee?16 December 2006, 09:30

AAARGHHH! I can’t use the new forum, I can sign in but after I sign in if I click on anything, it’s as if I was not registered. If this has anything to do with cookies then I’m sunk. The only cookies I know anything about have chocolate chips or oatmeal.

I’m-workin’-on-it16 December 2006, 10:04

Nanabee, there have been moments when the NEW forum was affected by the server being down briefly and that may have caused you problems — I’m just guessing — but if that’s the case it won’t be long at all and it will be fixed.

And my 2 cents on the mods is that you are the most wonderfully patient, understanding, and fair-minded people I’ve probably ever “met” in my life! and you have kept the fluwikie free from not only clutter but from most unconstructive arguements as well! A monumental task at other places whether they’ve been cooking forums or political forums or book club ones!

DemFromCT -sidescroll?16 December 2006, 10:24

I’m-workin’-on-it

Thanks. We are trying; everyone has different needs but the same motiviation.

Nanabee

I will reset your password… look for an email. we’ll help you get on. ;-)

Nanabee?16 December 2006, 10:38

Thanks. I live in Gainesville, GA…the Poultry Capital of the World and I’m very nervous. The local paper ran a frontpage article stating “Bird Flu experts say pandemic is unlikely”……….wonder how many folks in Gainesville feel oh so much better now? Not me.

DemFromCT16 December 2006, 10:57

Okay, I sent it. Log off and then log on with the new one,

I’m-workin’-on-it31 December 2006, 00:02

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