nothing happened up to now, nothing will happen, it is false alert
And you must work in MSM!! Keep thinking that way…perhaps you can convince the virus to play nice and go away. You have yourself a nice day…
I’m thankful that it relatively quiet right now, and hope it stays that way, but Ive laid awake too many nights, esp. after reading the Indo thread/diary, to ever call it “boring”
Now that is one silly statement. If it is boring, why don’t delve into it. Last nite on a five minute news bite.(I am parphrasing as I didn’t think I would quote it.) “News from the White House… Avian Flu might become a pandemic with 65 million people dead.” Now think about it. We are in a funk because 4′000 or so of our young servicemen and women have been killed in Iraq, in the last few years. Think of say 50 million young men and women and young childrens who will never be adults, whose lives could be snuffed out in a painful and grotesque manner., in a short period of say one or two years. Boring??? I don’t think so. Why don’t you learn something about the subject before you make such a sweeping judgement. You’ll learn a lot more than just the history and progress of viruses. You’ll learn about good people, warmth and humanity, , grace and class for these people here are one classy bunch whatever their social or financial state,a sharing of knowledge and warmth,and a great deal more. You may think yours is a superior intellect , but if you have a closed mind you will learn nothing in your lifetime, which could be short ,if a pandemic does happen. I have never lost any sleep over H5N1, but I do take it seriously. If you are wise, so would you.
Note. Noone can guarentee you a pandemic in your lifetime, if that is what you want. Be grateful if it doesn’t happen, but anyone who has learned life skills, survival skills at any of the flu sites is ahead of the game if it does happen.It is not time wasted. I value everything I have learned here, and have enjoyed ever interaction, even those most testy and frustrating. We can give, we can leave others happier for having known us, or we can leave others with a sour and bitter taste in their mouths. It is up to us how we live.
hello diana- I certainly hope we don’t loose you. Have you been to the new forum yet? If not please stop by and say hi. Who knows, perhaps it’ll grown on you ;-)
Anything can and will happen. Just because it doesn’t happen now, doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. SARS should have woke many up about that lesson. I’d never heard of that virus. That started on foreign soil, around the world. Never thought it would literally end up in “my backyard.” I’m not about to take for granted anymore, that nothing on the other side of the world could affect me and my family.
Cottontop… Possibly I’ll dip into the new place one of these days. I have become a bit blase about pandemic news, but the damn thing is, that this mindless virus just keeps chugging along, no matter how blase or disinterested people are. I would miss the good people here. Eccles is right, sometimes just interacting with people here can be more real than reality. I once had a woman who called herself “Desperate Housewife” who thought it an evenings entertainment to twit the posters,who later apologized,writing that she didn’t see the posters on the wiki as real people ,until I gave her a bit of flack. People have invested their true selves here. In our lives we often put on armour, because we know people can be mean spirited. That blessedly seems absent here,at least for most here. We have our egos, we have our flaws, but most here give their best selves as they have percieved the threat of H5N1 to be real. It means, we all have to row the boat together smoothly to keep it afloat. The wikis in total may well have altered some things. It may have made a vital difference.
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It ain’t boring. The recent Eqyptian cluster has gained significant more affinity for humans, and there appears to be another Indo cluster emerging.
I see some people expressing anger at the original poster. I guess that is normal, but there is another way to look at the post. We can be very thankful that the news is not alarming. We have all feared the “alarming” for months now. For me that has been since Qinghai Lakes. Before that I did not pay much attention to H5N1. In fact, prior to Qinghai, I could not have told you the difference between H3N2 and H5N1.
Boring could be a wonderful word. Maybe we should turn it into an international greeting.
“Boring.” “And a good Boring Day to you too.”
What was that ancient Chinese saying/curse, “May you live in interesting times.” I think that was it.
But Joe, there’s a big difference in what the poster titled the thread, and what he/she actually posted. To say it’s boring is one thing, but to state that it’s not going to happen is something else altogether.
And may it stay “A good Boring Day” ;-)
Make that SEVERAL CLUSTERS EMERGING!
We live in such interesting times, but very comfortably as Americans of this particular time. Past generations had a much rougher time, and our children have lived easier lives than we. Unfortunatly we are in for worse times, and our grandchildren will face a harsher world even without a pandemic. so many kids nowadays have no idea of what they will face. I have read that gangs are stashing away hugh amounts of arms and ammo in anticipation of turmoil and chaos in the future. A pandemic would open up that harsher world. Look at the crime rate now in New Orleans after Katrina. It is drug fueled. Anywhere there are drug wars will be particularly hit. I have read that some gangs are sending some of their members into military training to learn all they can about organization. Our future war lords if we fall apart socially.If I seem annoyed with the I’m Bored, it won’t happen kind of thinking, you are wrong. I feel some pity for anyone scornful of valid concerns.I was annoyed with those in the past that used their postings as a stupid prank as “desperate housewife” and her friends did in the one Saturday evening to wile away a boring empty few hours. If you are bored with anything in life find something that truly engages your interest. H5N1 in its evolving has engaged a large group of people as important enough to not only consider, but prepare for. If anyone is blindsided by this, they only have themselves to blame.
Since I feel a bit blase about H5N1 I have been delving into more frivolous subjects which have caught my interest. One is perfume. Did you know that Marie Antionette was detained at Varennes because of her perfume? It was such a reeking malodorous time, people were gamey and she was clean, and fragrent with her perfume. Either that, or her elaborate traveling case filled with a years supply of her favorite cosmetics alerted a chambermaid that she was an aristocrat. If she and her husband had paid attention to what was happening around her, the French Revolution might have been averted. Napolean would not have upset the entire European world. The vast number of men who died in the Napoleonic wars would have lived. Those in power lacked vision, too vapid and indifferent to what was happening and the mood of the people. Hunger didn’t affect them in their luxurious lives, so they didn’t understand anything. Even now people are so comfortable, they don’t understand anything. They don’t understand, that the world that they currently inhabit, can vanish, because a virus has made its final jump into h2h..My connection of these two things may seem far fetched, but I often connect unrelated events and see cause and effect.It’s part of writing, mulling over plots and what seems logical and what too much the “machinery of God.’ Whenever you reach an apparent illogical conclusion, you drag in such a device. It often happens in reality. To state it will not happen, because it hasn’t happened yet is so foolhardy, that I think I’ll use it for a remark by some clueless French aristo prior to the French Revolution.
My (I promise) last words on the subject, though they are really Donald Rumsfelds last words on the known and the unknown on Feb 12, 2002 at a Dept of Defense briefing. I quote.” As we know, there are known knows. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, We know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns. The ones we don’t know, we don’t know.” I think he was speaking about H5N1.
nothing happened up to now, nothing will happen, it is false alert
Radiogirl….Are you forgettting the pandemics of the past?Things(many things) have happened up till now…Maybe they were not in your lifetime,maybe they didn’t get to you.Does that mean it did not happen.Learn from the past.Tell that 37 year old woman in Indonesia who is in critical condition that nothing is going to happen.You sound like you are in a happy red white and blue bubble.No offense,I bet you are happier with your day to today life than many of us here.But will you be okay if (when)it does happen and you blew it off?
Just read another book on Marie Antoinette. I thought the family had been detained because someone recognised the kings profile from a coin. It turned out to be from a 50 livre banknote. A chambermaid had also warned the revolutionaries that the Queen was having a lot of clothes made up. Funny, the perfume sites claim it was her scent. Strange how stories are so mixed up even with thousands of historians searching everything ever written up on a historical event.People will always believe whatever they prefer to believe.Even something so well documented is open to distortion.
diana, I love your posts…..by the way I’m now a Spark People like you!
I have two teens in my house. Ive banned the phrase “I’m bored.” If either uses that phrase, I make sure they have plenty to do the rest of the day. If I get “Thats boring” with an eye roll, they get several days of “entertainment”
Diana-I want to second Cottontops appeal for you to come over “to the other side” I enjoy your writing and will miss you a great deal if you stop posting.
I have been thinking over the French Revolution as a virus. An invisable idea that took shape on our shores and then returned to France, (like the H5N1 would,)with the Marquis de Lafayette and the free masons. The times were ripe, and the idea went h2h. The chambermaid also denounced the royals to the mayor of Paris, saying they would flee because Marie Antoinette had a traveling case filled with toiletries, and she had often said she could never travel without it. The royals behaved with immense stupidity in their flight, just as people are doing about the threat of the pandemic. Now, does the new wiki need my musings, because that is what I do. Make connections that are probably not germaine to the subject in anyones mind but my own. The new wiki is streamlined, more to the point. I am occasionaly to the point, but more often I am wandering off, lagging behind the lecture group, not listening, but making suprising connections with things completly unconnected with the thread in question.I think I’ll just read it for a while and see if I would fit in.
Diana- You most certainly would fit in!! You will add a unique view to things, that I’ve come to enjoy from you. If lurk you must, but don’t go away.
new forum seems to be down, and I just left it. Hmmm
When my childrens friends visited my kids, and said they were bored, I would say “Too bad.” Their parents had horses, swimming pools, and other diversions that my son enjoyed on his visits.(long ones) to their kindly hospital and much richer parents.. I didn’t, and I did work, so it was “Think up your own amusement kids, your on your own.”I can’t imagine being bored, unless you have no inner resources, or imagination. I think that is when I developed a rich inner life. Bored, I would vanish from the scene that didn’t interest me into my own world.
No No No
If you are bored than you are not paying attention.
To give you a tangible way to look at H5N1 think of it as a science class experiment. Where you grow a plant in a dark box. In this box you have built a perverbial obstical course with alternating shelves built into the box to block the light and a hole in the top of the box. The plant will keep growing pale and white and weak but it will keep grwoing and so long as favorable conditions persist it will grow untill it reaches the light and will grow and then flourish out of the box. This virus, H5N1, is the nearest to the light that it has ever been right now.
Over the last few months there has been a lull, right now today there is so much activity on so many fronts it is nearly impossible to keep it all straight.
As kids, we learned to never say the “B” word around my mother. She made it clear she was not responsible for keeping us entertained, and if she heard it, well, we got worked to death. So, I found ways to entertain myself, mainly from books, as I still do to this day. I hate to hear anyone whine, “I’m bored. There’s nothing to do.”
New forum back up now.
Hmmm. I still can’t get into the new forum for some reason. I’ll try again in a few minutes to see if the glitch is on my end. Don’t tell me we’ve reached capacity on the new forum so soon?!
As far as the word “bored” … I did a funny, if macabre, activity with the kids when they were younger. We killed and buried two words out in our yard which means they were never to be used again by any of us. <grin> The kids still occasionally mention that activity and its been nearly 10 years since we’ve done it.
The two words?
Can’t Bored
LOL! From great things come such small beginnings.
Easy solution to getting into the new wiki. Click on News Report of today here, then onto the curl, then directly into the main wiki. news thread. I assume you could navigate from there. There is always a back door.
Kathy in FL --- I think the server had a minor hiccup. Probably got a touch of the flu! ;-)
New site is back up now…
If we are bored it is only because we are not using our noodles! There is so much than can be done and needs to be done!!! Have you written a letter to the editor in all of the news papers in your area, warning people of the possible dangers we face and how to deal with them? Have you written personal letters to your family and friends explaining the possible situation and asking each of them to copy that letter and send it to all of their family and friends? Have you written letters to your legislaors-county, state and federal, asking them to help and inform THEM of the threat? Have you make dozens of copies of the lists of food (and amounts) that will be needed for three months? What about the other things we will need water and lights and preparations for alternative sources of heat and cooking fuels?Have you make lists (and copies) of preparations needed for the sick room and how to treat Avian Influenza? Do you have these copies ready to give to your neighbors when/if the tbhtf? Are you letting it intimadate you when others tell you, you are crazy? Please do not let anyone intimidate you—you are just as smart as they are and probably smarter!!!! You can not be bored if you whistle while you work>>there’s a blue bird at my window----
When my kids tell me they are bored I ask them if they are sure that it is not that they are boring.They don’t like that too well.If they continue,I have lots of chores they get to do.
At this point, with the weather turned frigid, I feel its time to go into a strong defense mode for my immune system. Went to a health food store, got some extra things, primarily homeopathic in case I come down with the A type flu going around. Bought Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar to circumvent the Noro ( intestinal) Virus that seems to be making the rounds. (Bought at the health food store, the usual Apple Cider vinegar isn’t what you want to get. You need some with the mother in it.)Perhaps the H5N1 is still in check, but the misery that comes with even a normal flu and virus season is in evidence. A pandemic may not be in our futures, but the misery that goes with any viral illness is more than enough.I’m not a sit at home type, I interact daily with a lot of different people, get a regular dosing of coughs, sneezes and sniffling adults and children wiping their noses on the back of their hands.Since I value my health and my( to me) interesting life, I keep track of world issues. A Pandemic is one of those world issues. It’s no more boring than who will win on say “American Idol.”Certainly its a lot more pertinent to my future. I don’t give a hoot who wins on American Idol.
Well, there’s not much time left here, and I would like to encourage the people who have not visited the new forum, to please do so, and bring a friend. More difficult than it sounds, I know. There is alot of help there, just put out a distress call, and they’ll get you on your way. H5N1 seems to be heating up in Indonesia from what I’m reading, and I am growing more concerned that my PPF is just about to a solid 5 now. This weekend is prep weekend, so I have my list of top 3 priorities, some items from each. I have gotten alot of good ideas from the folks at the forum, namely one I didn’t think of but nonetheless, very important: vitamins for the family, as we are not vitamin users. I use to take an excellant liquid vitamin, but can’t find it anymore. How could I forget that? I need more lamp oil, and wicks, and some medical supplies. Everyday, the forum keeps me focused, in that I can not wain in my prepping, watching the news, or thinking it can’t happen, planning my garden, ect. I also enjoy the people immensly, and wish I had everyone for neighbors. What a community we’d be! Although I don’t know if BB could keep the FWRW (I think it’s called) flowing. There isn’t time to be bored. Way too much to do, and I don’t know how much time we have left. Heck for all I know, we have a year or two, or not. It’s all up to H5N1. The ball is in “it’s” court. We just have to wait. Of course I prep not on for the possibility of a H5N1 pandemic, but for the sake of being prepped. I’ve been off on that all last year, until I stumbled upon old yeller, and my eyes have been opened to not just BF, but other things as well. I now know just how important it is to find out what’s going on in “my backyard,” which is of course, the very planet I live on. Everything that goes on, will eventually affect some aspect of my life, my families life, your life, ect., no matter if it’s plantetary, manmade, or natural.
Wow- It didn’t look like that much when I was typing it! LOL!
a lot of people started preparing a year ago - but they stopped it some month ago - after they wasted a lot of time for this - i wish you a boring day …
Oh look! It’s back! A troll….by any other name, is still a troll. And a boring day to you, also.
BB- That is one thing about this place I DON’T miss. We have no trolls at the new forum!
So true…I’ll miss this place, but I really like the way the new Forum works and flows…
Still reading up on the French Revolution. It seems my idea of it being a virus is old hat, been discussed to death long ago. But there too you had boredom. The masses had no time to be bored. Work from dawn till dusk and until they rested. Not enough food. Basic survival. Those on top amused themselves and created mischief out of boredom.When someone can’t get noticed any other way, they get attention if they stir the pot. I posted for a short time on one forum where crushing anyone that disagreed with them and was percieved an opponent was a regular event. A sport, consisting of picking on others over the most minor issues was rife. It arises out of boredom. It’s exciting to yell “Food fight “ and start throwing things. I don’t think this thread was minor. Perhaps radio girl or someone she knows has invested too much time and money in this and she resents it, feels it a waste of energy as a pandemic hasn’t happened yet.
The French Revolution was a virus?!?
A metaphorical analagy.. google up French Revolution and virus. A lot of great writers in the past thought about it as I began to think about it a few days ago. They thought of the revolution as a virus… They used that term in the early 1800′s. Nothing new under the sun.I’m only starting to research the period. Have a general idea of that period, but I jumped from the word Perfume, to “In the wake of the Queen” the new perfume from Versailles, to Marie Antionette, and all the vanished but interesting ghosts of Versailles. I have developed a new interest in French history. something to take the small spot of the evolving H5N1 used to take in my day, since old yeller will R.I.P. after tomorrow.
Bronco Bill. Living in Williamsburg you have an opportunity to really immerse yourself in our countrys history. I can see you now ,dressed in 18th Century gear, your hair pulled back and tied in a black ribbon as one of the re-enactors. If the pandemic fizzles and you have spare time, you and your DW might find it an interesting trip into the past. I can’t imagine you bored.I can’t imagine anyone of you bored that have posted on this site. Too full of life, vibrant and active… Bless all of you good folks and keep you safe from harm. Time to leave this domaine for all time.
boring??? EnoughAlreadysigh?EnoughAlready?
I am so “grateful” for each and everyday that I am NOT having to deal with a minor flu outbreak… let alone a pandemic… as well as, for each and everyday I have to prepare! Everyday that I am given to learn, educate and prepare --- or even rest --- is a blessing! I am just so grateful not to be in a pandemic, or any other type of emergency situation!!
BTW, the holidays (Thanksgiving and Christmas and New Years) all gave me an odd little practice in what it would be like to have so many of my family here. Whew! Washing, cooking, etc, really gave me insight into “actual” needs. No way I can have enough toliet paper! :)
16th century? I’m looking forward to the Jamestown 400th Anniversary starting in May ‘07. Town was settled in 1607--the 17th century. Actually, Diana, we’ve already signed up to play-act (re-enact) during the Queen of England’s visit in May…I’m really looking forward to that. Don’t know if we’ll see her, but still, it’ll be fun!
16th century? I’m looking forward to…
That was supposed to say “18th century?”. Fat fingers tonite at the loss of my beloved Old Yeller!
OTOH, I’ve found new love at the New Site! :-)
Well this is my last post. Hope to see you over on the new forum, Diana, and all the rest of you. Thanks to old yeller for keeping us going as long as it did.