and here we are :)
AN EXHILARATING TRIP UP!
Vital we not let these get too long, as apparently they slow the entire wiki. Thanks.
Anyone (‘local’) who has a chance to check pet shops or pet sections of Big W or K Mart, etc please see if veterinary use antibiotics are sold over the counter (OTC).
Apparently they just package from production lines for humans rather than build whole new, lesser grade, factories.
These include, apparently, antibiotics also for FISH.
< Dissolve in bathtub and soak in the water? >
Attention all:
I call attention to the new thread on shipment of Tamiflu to western pacific by the US, announced by Leavitt himself.
Like Turkey, or Indonesian clusters, it may or may not be of great significance, but we never know, do we.
Good morning fellow d-u’s.
I checked local pet store - no luck. Need to see the vet. However, I think the farm supply stores are more likely to carry OTC lines - I remember as a child, being raised on farms, that they were ‘standard issue’ from the store. Of course the rules may have changed since then.
Thanks, AnnieB. Not the most important item on my remaining list, but any leads appreciated.
I seem to have come to a standstill with my prepping. I think i have most of what i need so maybe thats it, or maybe just getting complacent after last weeks scare? This happening to anyone else? I kind of feel like the heat is off for some reason…weird.
Woodstock:
Prep-fatigue? Temporary overload? Stress of other life? It’s a long, long journey and we need to stop from time to time.
Wish I felt like the heat is off! For me right now it’s just the opposite.
Nikolai: i feel like i should feel just the opposite. I just dont understand why i seem to have run out of steam. Maybe partly because we seem to have been living under an axe for so long, that eventually you get used to the axe being there? Maybe a few days off this thing is in order. Work tomorrow so that will give a reprieve. The joys of part-time employment!
Has everyone seen the big tabulation on “Tamiflu to Asia 2″
Lists many countries and their antiviral stocks and percents of their populations they cover.
Australia is quite high up … but even yet the population cover is far far from satisfactory. Wonder what the poor Americans think of their ranking, but..!
Not bad! Poor US tho.. :(
http://www.newsreview.info/article/20060522/NEWS/105220151
OK..i’ve found my steam again :)
Good evening folks. How is everyone doing with the news as it stands? I confess i’m feeling a bit stressed!
Woodstock, I’m also feeling quite stressed, clusters in Indonesia and Iran, tamiflu being sent to Asia…
On the up-side, I received some Rx medications from a Canadian on-line pharmacy this morning (which I thought had gone under, and the medications were sent from NZ) so I’m feeling a little more prepared today than I was yesterday. I ordered some amoxicillin for general purposes should the SHTF, and 6 months of anti-epileptic medication (for my youngest daughter).
I’ve been napping all afternoon. Unusual only in being longer than usual. Not all bad, being an aged pensioner!
I just made a very (self-)pleasing post on the “What’s Your Tipping Point’ thread. Value to me of posting is that it makes ME think it through for MYSELF. If I am not convinced, I do not hit the POST tab.
W’Stock, I dread it, but I do fear this thing can well go on and on indefinitely. I wonder if, once we reach our goal and refine details, we shouldn’t check the Forum once a day, in the early morning, for warnings, and then live our other life?
Nikolai: I think you may be right. I fear i am unravelling a bit if you understand what i mean? The preps seem to be never ending, even tho i logically think i have as many bases covered as humanly possible. There always seems to be one more can of soup i should add or just another few masks and rubbing alcohol. This thing seems to consume me, tho i have the odd “dead spot” like i did this morning. Maybe its just me..
Just sharing my thoughts as one of us Down-Under, for what ever value or interest it may have as local perspective. I posted this on the thread What’s Your Tipping Point:
I suspect the real secret is to NOT HAVE a ‘tipping point’ at all. That is, eliminate the NEED for a last-minute-flirtation with Death. Have a soft, safe, ‘slide off’ point.
Prep and prep and then trial your hardware, menues, details. Keep a permanent store of small banknotes, large coins. Have a rotated stock of ‘beer and cigarettes and chocolate’ type items. A high-rate turnover list for fresh produce, eggs, milk, breads, etc that you keep up to near maximum storage life for each item.
Next, do daily early morning monitoring, however briefly, of this Forum Page as the essential bare minimum checking. If no alarming new topics have been posted, go on with life for that day. Newspapers or tv news as you usually do.
Finally, arrange to ‘duck and cover’ for a day or two, or a weekend if things look incredibly hot but not fully yet confirmed. At the near extreme, phone in sick at work. Keep kids home from school. But regard this as precautionary, not panicky.
Then, if it does eventuate, tipping will be as easy and safe as ‘sliding off a sofa’.
Cheers, all!
Nikolai, good advice indeed! The only problem for me, of course, is disconnecting for more than a few hours.
Prepper: Ditto
Yes and the australian media still have so few articles about BF it is quite strange if it wasnt for fluwiki we would be very uninformed
nicholi sydney can you tell me the link to the tamiflu distribution list
Nikolai:
Maybe you’re just getting used to it.
They say a man can get used to hanging if’n he hangs long enough.
How up with the preps are all of you down under types? I’m pretty much ok…I worry about everyone else not quite being there tho. Mind you…i worry about everything ;)
Hi just wanted to share a prep item , glad baking paper , I line my wok and stir fry , bake dinners , spag , meat on the barbie. its soon clean no oil needed or just a spray but the big bonus ,pans only need a wipe , not a soak or scrub maybe handy if water is lean .
Here in Australia Biota discoverer and manufacturers of Relenza are up 13% today entirely attributed to what is happening in Indonesia.
A (rare) article from the Australian media http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,19240631-23109,00.html
And another one (this must be a record!)
http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,19240865-31037,00.html
crikey! getting nervous here…
a reminder to all Down Under: I am keeping an email list of addresses in case the Wiki goes down at an bad time. We may be able to keep news moving between us this way. If you want to be added to the (blind) list mail me: sandi at inetix dot com dot au
How are all of you faring emotionally with such an outbreak closeby? I’d be a bigger bundle of nerves than ususal. (USA)
GraceRN: Yup. That just about covers it ;)
Good afternoon all. It’s a bright afternoon in Sydney, Two o’clock and I have been practicing what I preached! This is my first check of the forum today!
It takes only one quick scroll of the main page to see there is nothing posted that required me to get to the shops in emergency mode. I could have left the i’net then.
I finally realise I do not need to immediately know about every ‘dead duck in Denbmark’. Nor every death in Iran or even in an Indonesian cluster.
That does NOT mean I don’t need to read extensively, even for hours, every weekend, for tips and perspective. Just do have to smooth out the jarring daily bumbs.
I AM NOT disinterested. I simply HAVE TO settle down for the long haul. This could easily be another year. Or two!
Now, mind, I do not think what is right for Nikolai is what is best for anyone else. I live alone, have completed my preps to my goal of a full, everything needful, sixteen weeks.
Not preaching. Just sharing, for anyone interested.
ATTN: Dr Kockosh from posting 18:05
I have been off-line and only now read your request. Just in case you have not found the answer elsewhere, my source was the original, 22 May, thread “Says It Has Sent Tamiflu etc” where European posted it at 13:34.
A PARTIAL excerpt, for any interested, is
TAMIFLU ON HAND (in descending % of population);
Kuwait - 5M doses/2.4M citizens = 208% coverage (104% w/ full dose) Norway - 1.4M doses/4.6M = 30% coverage (15% w/ full dose) France - 14M doses/60.65M = 23.8% coverage (11.9% w/ full dose) New Zealand - 835,000 COURSES/4M = 21% coverage (10% full dose) Australia - 3.5M COURSES/20M = 17.5% coverage (8.7% full dose) Singapore - 500,000 COURSES/4.4M = 11.4% coverage (5.7% full dose) Canada - 3.5M COURSES/32.8M = 10.7% coverage (5.3% w/ full dose) Israel - 600,000 COURSES/6.3M = 9.5% coverage (4.7% full dose) Sweden - 800,000 COURSES/9M = 9% coverage (4.5% full dose) Germany - 7M/85M = 8.3% coverage (4.2% full dose) UK - 2.4M COURSES/60M = 5% coverage (2.5% full dose) United States - 4.3M/297M = 1.4% coverage (0.72% full dose) Thailand - 700,000/65.4M = 1% coverage (0.5% full dose) Jordan - 60,000/5.8M = 1% coverage (0.5% full dose) Iraq - 70,000/26.5M = 0.3% coverage (0.15% full dose) California - 70,000/33M = 0.2% coverage (0.1% full dose) Nigeria - 250,000/131M = 0.2% coverage (0.1% full dose)
and on and on, if full list desired.
Cheers
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200605/s1646532.htm
Aust well prepares….
thank god for small favours i guess.
bump. Closing threads elsewhere due to server volume.
NPB — 04:52
As I have had to learn, finally, after hundreds of goofs, we have to read the words that are actually printed on the page and, secondly, read all of them. Finally, think about it!
“A scientist from the World Health Organisation (WHO) says Australia is better placed than most countries in the Asia Pacific region for dealing with bird flu.”
‘Australia is better placed THAN…’ Than? PNG? Burma? Indonesia? Phillipines? China? Etc. Indeed, who are we better placed than? New Zealand. Japan? Full stop?
Look at the above post at 01:25, on Tamiflu stockpiles. We have only 10 pills each person for about 18% of us. That means 82% of Australians, or roughly 16 MILLION of us would not even have a lick of an empty foil-tab package.
And one pack of ten tablets is not even enough for any real period of prophylaxis, nothing to do with CURE!
I get cold, cold comfort indeed from that statement about our preparedness. The moreso in that I have not one pill, let alone a pack of ten.
I have had to learn to count just so I could obey the advice: Count to ten, first of all…
Hi! Just viting the Oz/Kiwi thread. I don’t do so often enough. ;-)
Oh, and this will bump it up as I close some old threads.
Hi, Dem:
Are YOU ever welcome here! I mean in Australia!
NEW THREAD HAS BEEN OPENED, PLEASE POST ON NUMBER 16
TO HELP US ALL SPEED THE OPERATIONS. THANKS.