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Forum: New Rumors VII

24 October 2006

Bronco Bill – at 13:22

Continued from here

That’s Just Ducky! – at 13:28

Bluebonnet – at 09:23

“…From another site I read:

-Alot of internal debate going on in localized areas. One half wants to inform the public the other half wants to wait until BF hits. Then just shack them up in shelters. Plans are in place for PSA’s and other ways of communication to teach people how to deal with a deceased person at home. May be several days before they can be picked up in larger areas. Told us once imbalmed, they dont have to be refridgerated. They can be stored anywhere and then make a mass burial. Any funerals will be after the flu has passed. You may have a loved one pass away and not be able to have a service for 2 months afterwards. Chances are not body for the service when you do because it will have been buried in a mass burial. Funerals will not be allowed. It was discussed today that now instead of being the 3rd step, social distancing may become the first step. So when a state has its first sign of human to human transmission, if that is, social distancing will go into effect. …”

What site did you read this from?

Bronco Bill – at 13:30

That’s Just Ducky! – at 13:28 --- Just a comment/recommendation---remove the apostrophe and exclamation point from your name. It’s causing you to not appear as the author in the Last 50 Changes list. Thanks…

Thats Just Ducky – at 13:39

Bronco Bill – at 13:30

Okay, thanks. Although I’m not too keen on appearing to be illiterate!

Bluebonnet – at 13:43

Ducky - www.terminusreality.com

Check 9103 weekly meetings section.

Also, just got this e-mailed where I work:

“Due to the overwhelming response for flu shots from patients and employees, our current supply of vaccine has been exhausted. There’s an unexpected delay in shipment of additional vaccine, therefore all future flu clinics are on hold until further notice.”

Curioser and curioser! I’ve worked here 8 years and this has never happened before.

Bronco Bill – at 13:49

Thats Just Ducky – at 13:39 --- ‘sokay. It’s not you, it’s the software platform that does that for us! ;-) Thanks.

Thats Just Ducky – at 14:10

Apparantly you have to be a member on www.terminusreality.com to get to the weekly meetings section. I’ve just registered and will log in when I get the approval email from the administrator.

Thanks Bluebonnet.

Thats Just Ducky – at 14:12

“Due to the overwhelming response for flu shots from patients and employees, our current supply of vaccine has been exhausted. There’s an unexpected delay in shipment of additional vaccine, therefore all future flu clinics are on hold until further notice.”

My wild speculation? Rerouted/reassigned to members of the military and their families.

Leo7 – at 14:18

Ducky, you’ve gone ducky. Why not the politicians, why the military? After what sixty years of transporting and storing vaccines we suddenly freeze them? The company was cited for contamination issues during the processing. I’m guessing they really never got back to par, assuming they got rid of all the numerous contamination issues. In a pre-pandemic buildup to you think they would admit for the second year they fell short?

Average Concerned Mom – at 14:19

That’s Just Ducky — maybe, but as we’ve been discussing on another thread, it seems this year the big box stores and clinics (Costcco, BJs, Walgreens, etc.) got their supply of vaccines FIRST, with small dribbles sent out to dr’s offices and perhaps workplaces as well. Certainly, plenty of people have been able to get their flu shot at those places with no problem this year.

lady biker – at 14:28

I don’t know what is goin on but I made an appointment for my flu shot last week and then they called me the day I was susposed to get it and said that they didn’t have any shots but would call me when they did. said my name is on the list. several folks around here have been told the same thing. I thought that there was susposed to be an over abundance of the flu shots this year. this is so weird.

banshee – at 14:32

I called my doctor’s office and they were very uncertain as to when they would get flu shots. So, I went to my local grocery store last week and got my flu vax there. $25. Is it possible that the big box stores pay more for the flu vax? Or, does every flu vax provider pay the same price for their shipment?

Oremus – at 14:43

lady biker – at 14:28

I posted on the news thread (2 days ago?), they have enough vaccine but there has been a distribution problem causing temporary shortages.

Thats Just Ducky – at 14:45

Leo7 – at 14:18 “Ducky, you’ve gone ducky.” LOL! Probably the politicians, too! I DID say it was wild speculation! ;)

RE the contamination, I wonder about all the shots (including mine) that have already been administered. I wonder if that’s what the “distribution problem” is that we’ve heard about.

It may very well be that the retail outlets for the shots pay more for them than the doctors’ offices. It could be the high demand for them at the higher prices that has resulted in the “distribution problems”.

Again, pure speculation on my part, but, you have to admit, plausible.

observer – at 14:46

We have a group that offers flu shots at our building every year - they provided shots yesterday to anyone who showed up for $25. I think those who ordered early got their supply and my guess is demand is up. I don’t normally get shots but did this year.

NJ Jeeper – at 14:47

My guess is that the flu mfg have to satisfy their big customers first and fill in to the drs. as they have it available.

banshee – at 14:49

NJ Jeeper – at 14:47, I think you might have just pinned it down.

TRay75at 15:12

Just another example, last Friday I had my daughter, 6, scheduled to get her flu shot and 2 stitches she had the week before removed. We got there and “surprise”, no flu shots available, and no advance call. My wife, my son, and I are due to get ours from her employer early in November. Wonder if we will get a call early enough to go to a big box instead, or if I’ll end up missing out like last year?

Chesapeake – at 15:35

My doctor had flu shots in the office in September. I asked her how come she got hers early, she said they were late last year so she ordered real early this year.

tjclaw1 – at 16:49

I got my flu shot at doc’s office last week and my kids got it yesterday at ped’s office.

Our county is holding it’s annual flu clinic on Saturday (I’m volunteering as part of the Strategic National Stockpile Mass Dispensing Program) and we are supposed to have 1,600 to distribute. As far as I know, it’s here, but I’ll inquire tomorrow of my friend who is coordinating the clinic.

OKbirdwatcherat 17:51

Medical care now being served up at your local big box store. OMG. What’s next, I wonder.

AzNewBeat 19:24

Just got off the phone with my DS she is a member of the pan flu task force in her county. They were told at their weekly meeting today that WHO has gone level 4. I’ve looked on the WHO site and nothing there yet. She is in the process of having it verified right now.

DennisCat 19:30

AzNewBe – at 19:24 level 4

Now that is an interesting rumor.

ChuckEat 20:01

AzNewBeat 19:24

Please confirm this as soon as you can this could be a major chage in things.

Bird Guano – at 20:09

They won’t make it public IF it’s true until Friday afternoon.

AFTER the markets close.

cottontop – at 20:19

bird guano- I’m willing to bet that’s what will happen. Look what the stock market did today. They won’t risk it.

Bird Guano – at 20:22

Article quoted by Effect Measure out of Thailand in the Phase 4 thread.

Anything official is still unconfirmed.

But looks like some of the scientists are rumbling and starting to breaking ranks.

Won’t make much difference to us here. WHO would be playing catch up with real-world.

AzNewBeat 20:23

ok just got off phone with DS she says that there where 2 individuals who said this at their meeting. One was their Red Cross Rep. the 2nd was an Health official of University of New Mexico. This really pushed her panic button, as she only recently started preping, She a ER RN and her county is a pilot program for Pan Flu prep in NM. I’m thinking since nothing at WHO site maybe they(reps) were maybe reading at this site and was quoting our dear Dr. Woodson??? Not sure either way I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

DennisCat 20:44

cottontop – at 20:19 “stock market “

perhaps it is a good time to get out of the market into the money market.

Pixie – at 21:00

Bird Guano - fortunately the Effect Measure piece on the scientist in Thailand stating his view that we were at Phase 4 was printed in September, 2005. What he says is what we all know, but that piece is not a new one.

cactus – at 21:19
  And, Woodson`s opinion here at the start of the stop cutting bait thread had the same thing.
Monotreme – at 22:36

I would not be so quick to dismiss the importance of WHO going to phase 4, if that in fact that has happened. I have felt that we were actually at level 4 for over a year. The old-timers will remember the discussions as to why the WHO did not go to phase 4 despite the obvious evidence that we should be at the level. The issue, imo, is trade with China. Phase 4 results in travel restrictions to areas/countries with confirmed outbreaks of H5N1. That would include China. The economic significance of such a step is enormous. I believe fear of phase 4 declaration is driving China’s single-minded determination to get their creature, Margaret Chan, installed as the next Director-General of the WHO. I am sure she has strict instructions not to declare phase 4 until after the pandemic has started. Declaration of phase 4 now, while we still have interim Director-General, would be highly significant.

So, if anyone has connections at the WHO, it would be great if we could get a firm confirmation or denial of this rumor. FrenchieGirl?

Monotreme – at 22:38

btw, here is page where the WHO gives the current phase of pandemic alert. Right now, it still says 3.

DeLucaat 23:42

Flu Vaccine Information: I have managed medical practices and worked as a practice consultant for many years. The shortage in the doctors office is probably for a less sinister reason than you might think. The practices order the serum before the season starts and generally they order the number of shots used the year before. This year, because of increased awareness, they may have had additional folks coming in for immunization and ran out more quickly. The second issue is financial. The reimbursement from the major insurers is only a few dollars more than what the shots actually cost. Considering that the practice has to lay out the money for the serum in August and not get reimbursed until months later, some practices may not re-order once they run out, assuming that the patients can get a flu shot elsewhere. If your doc could charge 25 dollars and get paid cash at the time of service, he/she might be more inclined to have enough on hand through the winter. As it is, the practice needs to use staff, invest money and it is mostly a wash. It doesn’t seem fair that Wal-Mart or Super Supermarket makes a profit where your own family doc cannot. Large companes that give flu shots have the same problem with inventory. If 50 employees got the shot last year, they may have ordered 60 this year but they probably wouldn’t have ordered 100. It will snowball into next year as well because they know that 60 doses wasn’t enough but they don’t know how many people were unable to get a flu shot because there were none left. It cold be one or one hundred. So, next year they’ll order more than 60 but they won’t really know exactly how many more they should order.

Oremus – at 23:51

DennisC – at 20:44

I have my money in commodities……. rice, beans, tuna.

Oremus – at 23:54

Monotreme – at 22:36

China won’t allow level 4 until after the Olympics. 8^(

Edna Mode – at 23:59

Monotreme – at 22:36

Monotreme, I think you are completely correct that it is about the economic implications. The Chinese aren’t the only ones that don’t want travel restrictions to/fro their country. There are plenty of heavily invested western companies that have all but relocated most if not all of their manufacturing capacity to China. Those who haven’t relocated to China are foaming at the mouth at the increase in new-found discretionary income many in China are enjoying. China and other SEA nations are the new frontier for consumer exploitation. I listen to CEOs blather about it every day in the work I do. Many, many fingers in this pie.

25 October 2006

Monotreme – at 00:04

Edna Mode – at 23:59

Yes, you’re right, it’s not just the Chinese government that is getting rich off of outsourcing. This is why I despair that any country will try to block Margaret Chan from becoming DG.

The pigs and the farmers are having one heck of a party (Apologies to George Orwell).

FrenchieGirlat 04:37

Monotreme – at 22:36 - Am sick at home. And my contacts are not high level enough. If I manage to get to the office tomorrow, will enquire. But I doubt anything will happen before they have a new DG anyway.

crfullmoon – at 07:10

(Feel better soon, FrenchieGirl. Thanks for all you’ve been doing.)

Monotreme – at 09:02

FrenchieGirl – at 04:37

Take care of yourself.

I agree the WHO is unlikely to raise the alert now, but just wanted to check out this rumor.

Bronco Bill – at 10:54

THIS POST IS NOT A RUMOR!! :-)

Starting a new “New Rumors VIII” thread here, with the opening post from the Rumour of WHO Level 4 thread.

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